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June Martin
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iconnumber posted 02-02-2003 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for June Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One thing I have noticed lately is silver coming available in odd numbers. For example three silver underplates and three fish place settings. This probably is not a new occurrance. Parents or grandparents die and in an attempt to be fair, the silver services get split up among the kids. It sure is frustrating for silver collectors trying to outfit complete services. But maybe it makes for a fun challenge to track down the missing pieces.

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iconnumber posted 02-02-2003 07:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I once bought a salt spoon at a flea market in Pennsylvania and found its mate on eBay, down to the monogram. I have already determined which of my five will enjoy my silver, the others will have to make do with other sundries. I'd hate to waste it on barbarians, however dear they are!

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June Martin
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iconnumber posted 02-02-2003 09:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for June Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bravo for you on both the ebay find and the forethought on handing down the silver. I think the average person doesn't really come to appreciate the finer things in life like silver until later in life. So maybe there is still hope for the barbarians!

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Stephen

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iconnumber posted 02-02-2003 10:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stephen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
True barbarians might prefer this, found on the web:
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Silver & Gold Barbarian Sword Replica

Barbarian, silver and gold, blade 35.5", overall 49"

The Barbarian medieval sword, named after, well, a barbarian. The striking hilt of this medieval sword is complete with a dragon head spewing flames toward your opponent. And if the heat of your blade doesn't subdue your opponent, there's a dagger hidden in the pummel of the sword that will.


Of course, at $235, it can't be real gold and silver. wink

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FredZ

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iconnumber posted 02-04-2003 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FredZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your story, of finding part of a set of plates, reminds me of a current find of mine of two of a set of four candlesticks. I discovered that there were originally 4 to the set when I checked the numbers on bobiches and the numbers on the candlesticks. They would normaly be matched 1 with 1, 2 with 2, etc.... but one bobeche is marked 4 and one 2. The candlesticks are marke 1 & 2. The maker often made sets of 4 candlesticks. No doubt the other pair went to another heir.

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Brent

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iconnumber posted 02-04-2003 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I remember a similar story that turned up on the English Antiques Roadshow. A woman brought in a "pair" of seemingly identical candlesticks which the expert revealed to have different makers and date letters. Her family had split up a "set" of four candlesticks which was actually two pairs, and she had picked up one of each, which reduced the value of her "pair" substantially.

Incidentally, WEV and I share what seems to be a pair of coin tablespoons marked "BENNETT". We were discussing this seemingly unrecorded mark and found that we each had a tablespoon with the same mark and same monogram. He had bought his on eBay from a Philadelphia based dealer, and I bought the mate at a Philadelphia-area flea market, most likely from the same dealer. Small world, indeed!

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deb

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iconnumber posted 02-16-2003 11:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for deb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting topic...my story is a bit darker though! I've for years frequented a local rural auction house and often buy silver from them. A few years ago, I purchased a lot of International Wellesley that was a mixed group of pieces...2 dinner knives, 8 soups, six forks, 2 teas, etc. The lot was listed simply as 'sterling flaware'. As it was so mixed and not very useful for a 'set', I got it at a good price and simply kept it. But lo and behold, 2 or 3 months later, the same auction house had 'another' lot of sterling flatware, and guess what? This lot contained all the remaining pieces to the set I'd already purchased. There was no mistake as the unique script initial was the same! My conclusion was that the auction house was deceptive to the consignor--by not stating the pattern/maker and number of pieces, the estate probably thought the silver simply did not sell well. More likely, the dishonest auction house paid them for the original lot, but sold the balance of the set completely at their own profit. While this particular auction house has gone through a major management change, we can all benefit by knowing our sellers/dealers and getting ALL the important info in writing when consigning items to an auction house. Even if the pattern name isn't known, be sure to include the number of pieces in a group of items, be it silver, jewelry, china or what-have-you!

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June Martin
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iconnumber posted 02-17-2003 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for June Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good advice, Deb. As I was reading your story, I was anticipating what the conclusion might be. At first I thought maybe it would be a case of one family member putting up for auction their share of the inheritance and then another family member putting up the rest. Then I thought maybe the auctioneer was dealing with stolen goods either being consigned in bits and pieces or just being put up in bits and pieces as a smokescreen. Didn't even consider your conclusion. Thanks for reminding all of us to be diligent.

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Marc

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iconnumber posted 03-12-2003 02:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Deb,

From my experience, buying silver from coin shops, some silver comes in as folks need the money.. I have purchased sets of silver over a several month period, a handful here, a handful there.

Another conclusion is that the consigner needed only a certain amount of money and consigned part of the silver at one auction and the remainder when she needed more money.

Or.. more likely, as happens with me, the pieces got put in different boxes and were not a priority for the seller or the auctioneer.

Marc

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rick@slocoast.net
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iconnumber posted 05-14-2003 10:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Re splitting up the family silver, see my entry of today to the American Coin Silver list. I recently bought an unmarked fiddle pattern soup ladle, c.1835 or so, that I later noticed had the same mono engraving as a gravy ladle up for sale on Ebay. The engravings are so close that they may well be by the same hand at about the same time (see photos on the coin list). Unfortunately, as much as I would have liked to re-unite the pieces, the gravy ladle was marked by a noted Southern maker, and went for in excess of $700, a number of times what I paid for my soup ladle, and quite out of my league. Oh, well.

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