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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 04-10-2006 12:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We recently went to Natchez, Mississippi on our way to Louisiana and visited some of the beautiful Natchez homes on their Spring Pilgrimage. Many had very interesting family silver including one of the most attractive child presentation cups that I have seen that was retailed by Hype and Goodrich and made by Adolphe Himmel. It was also one of the heaviest that I have held. The same family had the Jenny Lind pattern for their flatware pattern with the die 2 mark of Philo Gilbert shown on page 58 of McGrew’s book on “Manufacturers’ Marks on American Coin Silver”. I believe Albert Coles held the design patent on this interesting pattern. The Gilbert firm also made a variation of the pattern with a tuck made on both sides of the oval pattern. However, the design that this family had was the Albert Cole design so perhaps the Cole firm contracted with the Gilbert firm to make some of their early production needs. This same family had many beakers (mint juleps) and all that I looked at had the marks of the Gorham Company with no local retailer’s marks. They also had an unmarked silver egg cooker with a glass hourglass type timer secured in a swivel fashion to the front of the cooker. I did not open the cooker, but it looked like it would hold 6-8 eggs in separate compartments. I had seen egg holders before, but had not seen a silver egg cooker. In previous visits most of the silver I saw had the mark of one of the Natchez silversmiths and the flatware patterns were usually either plain fiddle or fiddle thread. This time most of the silver I saw did not have a Natchez silversmith mark and the largest flatware set was Jenny Lind.

Natchez also has some excellent antique dealers including one of my favorite silver dealers and a wonderful old hotel named the Eola Hotel and some wonderful food. I must say however that the crawfish boil we went to in Louisiana was even better. Maybe it was the Cajan music that tipped the scales.

We finished our trip at a monthly antique show in Atlanta that always has some excellent silver dealers in attendance. One disconcerting thing this time was seeing one of the dealers going around with a scale buying silver on the spot for scrap. Perhaps this is a sign of the times.

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iconnumber posted 04-10-2006 01:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for outwest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It sure sounds like you had a nice time looking at others inheritances! I, unfortunately, saw a bunch of photographs the other day of items that were inherited by my family and about half of which were sold 20 years ago. That's really sad. One of the items was a lovely coin silver mug with little circle handles and a flat foot.

But, they didn't sell everything and I treasure what is left. One of the things left is a Albert Coles Jenny Lind Pattered fish slice and meat fork. Neither has a retailers mark on them, just Albert Coles marks. I showed the fish knife before when I was wondering if it was an ice cream slice.

Here's the fork:



I agree with you that it is an interesting pattern. The engravings are different between the two so I don't think they were a set although both Jenny Lind.

Which of the two variations that you are talking about is this one?

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Above is the William Gale “Jenny Lind” type pattern as shown in the November/December 2000 issue of Silver Magazine in an article by Don Soeffing. I confused the William Gale firm with the Philo Gilbert firm as making a Jenny Lind variation. The Gale version has an indented waist between the two oval patterns. An interesting aspect of the Gale pattern is that it was made as early as 1849 while the Jenny Lind pattern of Cole was not introduced until 1850 according to Turner.

Your Albert Cole pieces are lovely. I have never seen the Jenny Lind with the twisted handle before and that is a nice feature. The Jenny Lind pattern was still in production as late as 1895 according to Soeffing and at that time it was made by George W. Shiebler who was the successor to Coles’s pattern dies.


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Thank you for the lesson. smile

This one and the fish slice are from before 1870. Of that I am certain due to the monogram and that they are both coin silver.

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The above small knife (perhaps a butter knife) has an anchor, bust and lion as a manufacturer mark. McGrew, if I read his entry right, attributes this mark to Albert Coles. This is interesting because this pattern looks like the pattern usually attributed to William Gale as it has the pinched in waist design of the usual Jenny Lind pattern. It could be that Alert Coles made both designs or Gale and Coles used similar manufacturer’s marks.

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