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pbanz

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iconnumber posted 08-25-2005 09:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pbanz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is actually in reply to a post Waylander made in the General Silver Forums titled "Mislabelled Bargins" The piece was not mislabeled but I think the story fits....

A week or so ago my wife and I were at a local flea market looking and I spotted a domed, three piece silverplated butter dish setting on a table. I picked it up and read the underside. Wm Rogers mfg Quadruple Hartford, Connecticut #672. It was in great physical condition as far as no dents or dings but the bottom piece had silver loss and was badly tarnished. (all black)
I asked the man if he knew the age of the piece and all he told me was that he had it for 15 years. I told him it could be over a hundred years old and he said "BS I have tons of that junk in my shop and it isn't that old." Well, I could tell I wasn't going to educate him any so, I bought the piece for a song. Didn't even have to dance.

Now after telling this story. Am I the fool? Can I honestly say that all "quadruple plate" is close to a hundred years old or is the vendor right?

If I am right then I will be taking a trip to the mans antique shop to buy a ton of it and I will even dance a little if I have too.

If he is right, well, then, ....... sigh, ......You can't believe what you read comes into effect.

Thank you and Happy hunting,
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Waylander

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iconnumber posted 08-26-2005 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Waylander     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A very nie story; I wish you the best of luck with your return visit smile

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iconnumber posted 08-26-2005 11:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hello     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Although haven't found too many mislabeled bargains in stores(although some bargains) more often I run into dealers trying to convince me that their silverplate is sterling. Yeesh rolleyes

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venus

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iconnumber posted 08-29-2005 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
soooooooo is it true then that quadtriple plate is around 100 years old? I never knew that. You would be amazed at the items I pick up, um let me rephase that, items I buy in used stores and ANTIQUE stores marked 925 for a song (to borrow a phrase)Some people don't take the time to look at what they are selling or know what 925 indicates.

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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 08-29-2005 02:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Speaking in general terms, age and value are two very separate things. Just because something is old does not mean it has much commercial value. For example, you can buy all of the 2,200 year old authentic Qin Dynasty Chinese bronze coins you like for less than $1 each (ones of the more common varieties).

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iconnumber posted 08-29-2005 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was researching jade and read that Europeans value quality over age and Americans age over quality. Don't know if that holds true for silver or not. Americans may be more impressed with age because our country is a young one compared to Europe and some other countries. I just like what I like. Am looking now at an old hand wrought, silver plate napkin holder that is unmarked. But I really like it better than the sterling tooth pick holder, both I got today. Go figure eh?

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pbanz

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iconnumber posted 08-31-2005 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pbanz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I haven't heard the experts tell me that quadruple plate is around a hundred years old yet but, by all that I read, they tell us that the term "Quadruple plate" was stopped from 1910-1912. The Meriden silverplate co., so I am told, quit tusing the term in 1896.

I enjoy the quadruple plate becasue most pieces are made well and are beautiful in design, not to mention the weight they have, unlike the newer EP pieces.

I thank you all for contributing to this post.

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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 08-31-2005 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For the most part, there are no laws or rules on how a company may mark their silver plated wares, other than the obvious that they can't mark them in completely fraudulent ways such as using authentic British sterling hallmarks or such. The term Quadruple Plate was indeed popularized in the late 1800s and early 1900s and you don't find it much on things made after that timeframe, but it is not a guarantee of something being that age. Silverplate companies have always had a real penchant for using older markings and even obsolete company names and pattern designs to make newer things seem old and desireable to get more sales. With silver, and to a much greater extent with silver plate, the main part of the value of something is in the quality of the way the object is made, its attention to details, and the overall design and impact of the object.

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