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mountain8

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iconnumber posted 07-02-1999 08:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mountain8     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have purchased a 19C Rogers & Bro Triple Plate cake plate with engraved butterflies and flowers. This is a present for a frient who has just returned to work from a hospital stay. I would like to tell her a little about the plate and the Rogers Brothers. Can anyone point me to any web site where I might learn some silverplating history?

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iconnumber posted 07-02-1999 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
By "19C" do you mean 19th century?
There were two Rogers & Bro. companies.

Rogers & Bro. Began in 1858 in Waterbury, Connecticut. They produced mostly silver plated and german silver flatware. About 1874 they began to produce holloware. In 1898 they became a part of the International Silver Company.

C. Rogers & Bro. Began in 1866 in Meridan, Connecticut. At first they produced mostly casket hardware and furniture trimmings. Around the turn of the century they began to produce holloware. In 1903 they became a part of the International Silver Company.

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iconnumber posted 07-02-1999 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mountain8     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for the answer.
How coincendental that a second Rogers & bro would begin with a C. I meant 19th century.

I am buying this over ebay and have to admit I have little knowledge of the subject. I am buying it for a friend who loves Butterflies.

The writeup says "This silverplated cake basket is marked "Rogers & Bro Triple Plate" which should date it mid-late 19thC. It measures 12 1/2" to the top of the handle and approx 9 1/2" across. It has a gorgeous design of butterflies & flowers and has an engraved D in the center. It is in nice, original condition unlike a lot of the grotty Victorian silverplate available today... the handle is tight enough to stand up."

The accompaning pictures show some really high quality engraving (or etching?)and what looks like a filigree engraved edging around the plate section. It seems three sectional with the handle like a bucket, filigree shaping again, the cake dish itself, and a somewhat bell-shaped, 4" stand.

Does this help at all?
I do really appreciate you taking the time to help me.

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iconnumber posted 07-02-1999 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think I found your cake basket on eBay. I was hoping to see the photos but they are no longer up. Could you ask the seller to e-mail me the photos?

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iconnumber posted 07-04-1999 03:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ulysses Dietz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The curator is getting in a little late on this. But I just wanted to put in that it is not unusual for the engraving on an electroplated piece to be as good as on a sterling piece. Certainly firms like Tufts, and the higher-end objects in many lines were extremely well made, and the labor of engravers was not prohibitive. The Newark Museum has just been given a great 1885 water tipper pitcher and goblet covered with really wonderful Japanesque engraving--which makes me think of your butterflies. For eletroplate, it is the style and the quality of this sort of work that sets it apart.

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iconnumber posted 07-05-1999 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The 1885 water tipper pitcher and goblet sounds great! When will it be on display?

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mountain8

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iconnumber posted 07-06-1999 07:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mountain8     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you all for the interest. I am trying to get a photo to pass on.

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mountain8

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iconnumber posted 07-06-1999 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mountain8     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mr. Martin, et. al.

Got the Dish today and am impressed. I will try to send pictures if Susan can't.

It's a numbered piece. On the bottom of the stand is the "Rogers and Bro Triple Plate" in a circle around a clenched fist and lightning bolts. It is numbered 1803.

The engraving is very detailed, flowers and butterflies.

The edge of the plate has an embossed surface with what lookes like leaves and flowers. I don't recognize them but some of the flower/scroll work looks alot like some I have seen in hearldric work.

Even the stand has an embossed ring.

I am sure the scan will do it little justice. But perhaps it will suggest something.

[This message has been edited by Stephen (edited 04-12-2003).]

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iconnumber posted 07-06-1999 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here are his photos:


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iconnumber posted 07-07-1999 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I found it!
The following is from an 1886-7 Meriden Britannia Catalog

An equivalent amount of $5.00 in 1886 dollars would be $88.56 in 1998 dollars. From the annual Statistical Abstracts of the United States.
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iconnumber posted 07-08-1999 07:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mountain8     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Amazing, you found the actual catalogue ad. So is this high end, low end or what? I have to confess my ignorance but Meridian Britannia does not sound like J.C. Penney. It's a beautiful piece. I would expect to see it in a jewelry store or something similar.

From the way it looks, I'd say $88 bucks was a fairly good price. For insurance purposes, what kind of value should I recommend for my friend?

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iconnumber posted 07-08-1999 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why don't I give someone else a chance to respond to your first question: "So is this high end, low end or what?"

Your second question "what kind of value for insurance" should be directed to a Professional Appraiser try: To find an appraiser in your area click here

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Ulysses Dietz
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iconnumber posted 07-19-1999 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ulysses Dietz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry to be so late in my reply. This is what you could say is "high end low end." Electroplate was inherently cheaper than sterling, and thus aimed at a middle class market, rather than an upper-middle class market. However, given the cheap labor costs of the period, the quality on "low end" things could vary greatly. This seems to be from the high end of the electroplate production, because of the apparent hand artistry of the engraving. Electroplate was sold heavily through mailorder in the 1880s and 1890s, and handled by hardware manufacturers (Russell Erwin, for example) as well as by department stores such as Sears and Montgomery Ward. But also remember that stylish electroplate shows up in almost every wealthy home as well. By 1900, with people like Unger Brothers turning out very chic but very light sterling silver for the same market as the electroplate people, the line between high end and low end gets blurrier (at least socio-economically). I wonder if there is a corresponding drop off in electroplate stylishness at the turn of the century, when low silver costs make sterling even more accessible to a wider market?

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mountain8

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iconnumber posted 07-19-1999 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mountain8     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I have learned alot about the piece and silverplate as a whole. I thank everyone who got involve. I guess we can close it here.

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