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flyboyac Posts: 1 |
posted 09-04-2001 05:43 PM
  
This morning I found a Victorian Fish Set and on the back of both handles was stamped WMFN in a rectangular cartouche. I took the set to an antique dealer who specializes in silver. He belives it is silverplate, probably Victorian but could find no reference in any book as to the initials. It is very beautiful and ornate but before I purchase I would like to know exactly who made this and how old it is. Any help or info is greatly appreciated, Thank you! Paul ------------------ [This message has been edited by flyboyac (edited 09-04-2001).] IP: Logged |
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Ulysses Dietz Moderator Posts: 1265 |
posted 09-07-2001 09:09 AM
If it is English and it has no hallmarks, then it must be silver plate. I can't speculate as to age until I see a picture. Style is all (or most at least) in determining age. IP: Logged |
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Chris Barber unregistered |
posted 09-09-2001 01:25 PM
WMF is as usual the Wuerttembergische Metallwaren Fabrik of Geislingen, Wuerttemberg, Germany, who specialised in Silver Plate.They had various metals of low grade on which to put the silver plating... and they also plated pewter (German: Zinn). The N is stated in the book on the subject to be "Nickel Silver" whatever exactly that is. The best solution to any doubts about that company`s products would be to obtain the superb book produced by the "Antique Collectors Club" in U.K. and I believe available in USA. Which is called: "Art Nouveau Domestic Metalwork from Wuerttembergische Metalwaren Fabrik 1906"..it is ISBN 1 851 49 066 3.... But bear in mind that this book is based around the catalogue for the English market at that time... while in central Europe they made a huge amount of copper and brass stuff of equally good quality... They also did produce their own cut glass liners, often extremely decorative,for the vases.... The Nickel silver is certainly much higher quality than the simple plated "Britannia metal" alloy which is called WMF B....Hope this goes some way towards clearing up any misapprehensions! [This message has been edited by Stephen (edited 04-20-2003).] IP: Logged |
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Chris Barber unregistered |
posted 09-10-2001 06:01 AM
More information from Dr. Graham Dry, author of the reccommended book on WMF Metalwork... He tells me that WMF made NO actual silver pieces. The "Nickel Silver" is simply a marketing name for another alloy including Nickel which is then Silverplated as usual... This alloy (like "Alpaca") is relatively brittle and cannot be cast and soldered like the usual Pewter and "Brittania Metal" which are softer.. The Nickel silver and Alpacca are Rolled out and then plated while the others would be cast in sections and soldered together before plating.... Just another example of the misuse (by implication at least) of scientific names "Silver" "Gold" etc. Pewter, which includes lead, is much heavier and many of the recent reproductions of former WMF plated Brittania metal pieces are remarkably easy to detect because they weigh two or three times as much as the originals (quite apart from the awful quality of the castings based on slightly corroded original pieces!..... good hunting,everybody! [This message has been edited by Stephen (edited 04-20-2003).] IP: Logged |
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Stephen Posts: 625 |
posted 04-20-2003 05:50 PM
It appears that they made some 800 jewelry, but none of their holloware or flatware was solid silver. IP: Logged |
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threewings Posts: 22 |
posted 04-20-2003 07:03 PM
Nickel Silver is the same as 'German Silver' and contains no silver. I've never seen any WMF sterling, only plate. (are there 3 WMF threads going?) IP: Logged |
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Arg(um)entum Posts: 304 |
posted 04-20-2003 11:01 PM
"... never seen any WMF sterling, only plate." They do at present sell flatware in both 800 and sterling but I have no idea for how long they have been doing it. IP: Logged |
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