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Terrell
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iconnumber posted 09-25-2002 12:14 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[21-0095 15-0225]

I have a question about an 1847 Rogers Brothers silver plated Shell pattern butter knife with twist handle.

The knife blade has 3 "scallop" shaped cut outs that seem to just fit three rows of corn-on-the-cob.

Can you tell me if it were made specifically for buttering corn-on-the-cob, or if it were made for some other special purpose?

The silver mark on the butter knife is "1847 Rogers Bros. Al" followed by a double concentric circle shaped mark containing what looks like a vertical sword sticking out of the top of a crest shield in the very center of the small inside circle, and with "Meriden Britania Co" written around the inside edge of the larger outside circle.

I believe the date of the knife is 1890.

I would appreciate it if you could tell me exactly what kind of knife this is, or if you could refer me to someone else who could.

Thank you so much.

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Ulysses Dietz
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iconnumber posted 09-25-2002 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ulysses Dietz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very interesting--but I suspect that your scalloped cut-outs are merely decorative. Even in the specialization-crazed late Victorian era, I don't think they got so far as a corn-on-the-cob buttering knife. Corn on the cob was eaten, even tho'it was messy and not conducive to proper table gentility, but since silver forms tended to run toward more pretentious behaviors and serving, it's unlikely that this is anything other than what you might call a "master butter," or the knife with which someone helped himself to some butter. It was not used to spread butter, but merely to serve it.

This, of course, is all done without actually seeing the piece.

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Brent

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iconnumber posted 09-25-2002 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Terrell,

If the cutouts are on the back of the blade, it sounds to me like you have a cheese knife. Cheese knives do look a lot like butter knives. Once you have cut off a piece of cheese, you are supposed to flip the knife over and spear the piece with the teeth on the back of the blade.

I'm afraid I do not own any cheese knives to show you. Perhaps someone else can post a picture of one?

Brent

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Terrell
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iconnumber posted 09-26-2002 12:02 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for your timely and excellent reply.

I believe I have just succeeded in putting 3 poorly scanned images of the knife on:


Please let me know what kind of knife you think it is.

Also, what is the purpose of the twist handle?

Thank you,
Terrell

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Ulysses Dietz
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iconnumber posted 09-26-2002 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ulysses Dietz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looks like someone took a bite out of it! Doesn't look like a cheese knife. The twisted handle allowed the knife to rest upright, and is a fairly common, tho' by no means universal, feature of these "master butter" knives of the period.

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Paul Lemieux

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iconnumber posted 09-26-2002 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul Lemieux     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Probably the pretentious, well-to-do household would have no use for a corn buttering knife: to deal with corn on the cob, there were corn scrapers.

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wev
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iconnumber posted 09-26-2002 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, I give. How would you use the thing without spraying corn bits all over the room? Or is it for cleaning one's beard afterwards?

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Terrell
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iconnumber posted 09-27-2002 12:36 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
TO ULYSSES DIETZ:

It surely does look like someone took a bite out of it.

My 81-year-old Mama was taught to butter only 3 rows of corn-on-the-cob at any one time (COTC etiquette, as it were). When she saw this knife, she became curious as to its function, and tried it out on a piece of COTC. She was elated to find that it was perfect for buttering the allowed 3 rows in one fell swoop, without losing the pat of butter. If it really is just a plain ole master butter knife, then the 3 cut-out arches must have just been for decorative purposes, I suppose, even though they don't really add much beauty to the design.

I thank you for your expertise and for taking the time to help solve my mystery.

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Terrell
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iconnumber posted 09-27-2002 01:15 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
TO PAUL LEMIEUX:

Cool!
Are you serious?
When were corn scrapers popular?
And in what part of the world?
Was each dinner guest issued his own corn scraper, or was it a kitchen tool?

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Paul Lemieux

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iconnumber posted 09-27-2002 01:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul Lemieux     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is also a corn scraper illustrated in Bill Hood's Tiffany flatware book.

I think it was a kitchen tool, or a single serving piece. They are relatively hard to find, so my guess is that they weren't place pieces (probably the frequency with which COTC was eaten didn't warrant adding another piece to the place setting) and that they weren't very popular--to me, it looks awkward to use.

I would guess the piece would be held perpendicular to the cob; the teeth would slide along the corn, it looks like between kernals, loosening them, while the other half of the serving end would serve to dismantle the corn completely, scraping the cob clean. Mind you, this is only a guess and I might be way off.

Unfortunately, I sold this piece before our corn was in season, so I never had a chance to experiment with its use.

[This message has been edited by Paul Lemieux (edited 09-27-2002).]

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 09-28-2002 05:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am not really sure what the "bite" in the knife was for. I suppose it could have been a way for the knife to rest securely on the side of a covered butter dish.

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