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luckysmokes

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iconnumber posted 02-26-2003 08:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for luckysmokes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have several pieces of silverware that have the "XIV" on them after the makers name could you tell me what it means,I would greatly apprieate it.

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WGS

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iconnumber posted 02-26-2003 09:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WGS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any chance it's "XII"? That would indicate sectional plate. -- with extra plating in locations especially subject to wear.

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iconnumber posted 02-26-2003 10:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for luckysmokes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We have silverware with the XII but we also have some pieces with the XIV.Thanks for the information on the XII.

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WGS

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iconnumber posted 02-26-2003 11:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WGS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"XIV" is one of many marks of the Holmes & Edwards Silver Co started in Bridgeport, Connecticut in 1882. That company was absorbed into International Silver Co. in 1898 and moved to Meriden, Connecticut in 1931.

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Stephen

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iconnumber posted 02-27-2003 06:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stephen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by luckysmokes:
I have several pieces of silverware that have the "XIV" on them after the makers name ...

What is/are the maker's name(s)?

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luckysmokes

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iconnumber posted 02-28-2003 12:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for luckysmokes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Holmes& Edwards xiv

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iconnumber posted 02-28-2003 08:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stephen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The meaning of the Holmes and Edwards "XIV" mark is not documented. I believe it is a quality mark and an abbreviation for 14 dwt (which stands for 14 troy pennyweights) -- Holmes and Edwards also used a "Warranted 14 dwt" mark on plated knives and a 1915 Holmes and Edwards catalog states that "A high quality XIV plate without the inlay is also furnished."

Other American companies (many of which also became part of International Silver) seeemed to favor "12 dwt" marks on plated flatware, most often on knives but also on forks and spoons.

Just to confuse things, XII marks were used by International to indicate sectional plate and not 12 dwt.

Rainwater indicates that quality specifications for hotel ware were 10 dwt per square foot for heavy hotel plate, and 15 dwt per square foot for extra heavy hotel plate. So, I'd guess that "XIV" is an indication of the amount of pure silver (14 dwt) per square foot of base metal which would be something a little heavier than triple plate. Strictly a guess.

The dwt marks appear to have been popular from the late 1890s up until about the 1920s, although, with a little digging, you might find dwt marks with other numbers and examples from before or after that time.

Hope this helps!

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luckysmokes

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iconnumber posted 02-28-2003 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for luckysmokes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks that helped alot.

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