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steevesj Posts: 11 |
posted 08-31-2002 05:38 PM
  
[01-0792] I have a fish slice with some hallmarks I cannot identify. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please click on the link to see it. IP: Logged |
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juansi unregistered |
posted 09-01-2002 12:07 PM
ONE OF THEM LOOKS AS A LION, MAY BE IT IS A BRITISH PIECE, BUT THEY LOOK RATHER WORN OUT IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 09-01-2002 12:15 PM
The marks are rubbed, but at a guess I would say Sheffield, 1779, and made by Samuel Roberts & Co. Could we see a picture of the whole piece? [This message has been edited by wev (edited 09-01-2002).] IP: Logged |
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steevesj Posts: 11 |
posted 09-01-2002 03:57 PM
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 09-01-2002 06:01 PM
Well, now I'm not sure what to think. The pattern looks very much like Lily first introduced in 1850 by Elkington and a staple of Chawner & Co. into the twentieth century. I still think the third mark is for Sheffield, but the black letter A (if that's what it is) makes no sense. IP: Logged |
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steevesj Posts: 11 |
posted 09-01-2002 07:10 PM
quote: Thanks, it has been a hard one to figure out. If you think of anything else please let me know. Jon IP: Logged |
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Brent Posts: 1507 |
posted 09-01-2002 10:10 PM
Hello, I'mm 99% sure that your slice is English silverplate. The second character is actually a beaver; I'm not sure why some silverplaters used a beaver in their marks, but there are enough that did, and they look like your second mark. The crown is a common mark found on plate from Sheffield. The fourth mark likely reads EPNS, or just NS. I wish I could tell you exactly who made it, but it definitely looks like a piece of English electroplate from the mid to late 1800's. IP: Logged |
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steevesj Posts: 11 |
posted 09-02-2002 02:38 PM
quote: Silverplate? I was wondering if it could be. It definately looks like the Lily pattern. I have seen it that pattern which was mid 19th century. Is the A the makers mark? IP: Logged |
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vano@rogers.ca unregistered |
posted 01-10-2003 10:02 PM
Beavers were used by Canadian companies a fair bit due to the fact they are our national symbol. IP: Logged |
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Arg(um)entum Posts: 304 |
posted 08-08-2003 09:25 PM
(A) is from steevesj's post above, (B) off a little plated condiment spoon. The beastie on both of them ... ? It does bear a little more resemblance to a beaver than I do but it may just be a phantasy animal, meeting the requirement for a 'pseudo-lion' to give the look of a set of sterling marks while staying inside the law. How likely is (A) to be 'JS&S' as well?  The beaver marks in the Unitts' book on Canadian Silver and SP, with very few exceptions, fall into the general type of the one on (C). They give no reason for pointing (C) towards Quebec - they may just have found it there. Actually, there seems to have been little plating industry in that province. Now, do we have two 'JS&S's? one British and the other Canadian? or is it the same firm with one set pre-1896 and the other later? (and in between the agent sent a drawing of a beaver back to the mother country? Any comments from those with the long experience and the yards of reference books? IP: Logged |
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adelapt Posts: 418 |
posted 08-11-2003 12:06 AM
Arg(um)entum:- I'd suspect that the marks used in the UK by 'JS & S' which incorporated a beaver stamp just got caught up in the net when Canadian marks were being documented. An easy conclusion to jump to when you live in the place & fall over beavers in the street... Your mark 'c' looks like a stylised Prince-of-Wales feather. IP: Logged |
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Arg(um)entum Posts: 304 |
posted 08-13-2003 09:26 AM
Thanks, Adelapt! I hadn't come across 'PoW feathers' before. And I too think that they are all English but the question of the 'long-legged beaver' still puzzles me. What is it really and why was it used? Anyone else out there? IP: Logged |
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Patrick Vyvyan Posts: 640 |
posted 08-18-2003 06:09 PM
There was a "J S & S" making silverware in Birmingham c.1900, any connection? I'm afraid I haven't seen his mark, nor do I know if he produced plate. IP: Logged |
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). The outlines of the corresponding marks on (B) and (C) are just about identical - sorry my photo doesn't show it. And lastly, does the second mark in (C) have a name? is it a 'pseudo crown' ?