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 MK8 and MK9 marks on spoons -- what does it mean?
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RSConforti Posts: 5 |
posted 04-12-2003 02:35 PM
  
I have some spoons that I think are from the USSR or Russia. The backs and handles are silver in color. The concave part of the spoons are gold in color. They are stamped "MK 8" and "MK 9". The spoons tarnish like silver does. Any clue as to whether they are silver, gold, and/or silverplate? Any clue as to what the marks mean? IP: Logged |
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Stephen Posts: 625 |
posted 04-12-2003 03:57 PM
Welcome to the forums. A little more information would be helpful. What makes you think they are from Russia? Photos would also be helpful. IP: Logged |
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RSConforti Posts: 5 |
posted 04-12-2003 05:25 PM
What makes you think they are from Russia? Where did you acquire them? I bought them from a Russian shop in Indianapolis. The man from whom I bought them doesn't speak English well, but said, "They are Russian. Old." How large are the spoons? What is the style of the handles? Are there any surrounds around the marks? Are the marks incuse or incised? Thanks for any help you can provide. IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 04-12-2003 05:35 PM
M•K was an assay mark used in Petrograd 1825-1838, but that is just a guess without seeing a picture of the marks. IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 04-12-2003 11:04 PM
Here is a picture of the mark It appears to be both incised (MK9) and incuse (7). IP: Logged |
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doobees Posts: 277 |
posted 04-13-2003 06:09 PM
Don't feel badly... I needed to get out a glossary of terms too. I'm still not sure about incuse or incised. (You obviously figured it out so please share the info with me.) Anyway, the best match for the MK that I could dig up was from Riga, Latvia - Michael Kresner the younger, 1758. Now, I'm not at all saying this is a final verdict of the date and place... I've not yet seen the piece and I could find no reference to the 9 or 7. See mark #7532 ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Stephen Posts: 625 |
posted 04-13-2003 11:46 PM
Does this help? An incuse mark is one formed by stamping. Stamping of the mark itself does not remove any metal from the object. Common examples include maker's marks, manufacturer's marks, retailer's marks, and hallmarks. An incised mark is engraved. Engraving a mark removes metal from the object. Common examples include monograms, armorials, and "scratch" marks. Many marks have surrounding shapes enclosing the mark, e.g. a circle, oval, ellipse, trefoil, quatrefoil, triangle, diamond, lozenge, square, rectangle, hexagon, octagon, shield (many different kinds), etc. Surrounding shapes can be created by stamping or engraving. IP: Logged |
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doobees Posts: 277 |
posted 04-14-2003 03:05 AM
Actually, Stephen, that reallly helped a lot. Merci! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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RSConforti Posts: 5 |
posted 04-14-2003 07:18 PM
Yes, thanks, Stephan! And here is a picture of the spoon, which I am only able to post through the kindness and help of our generous moderator. IP: Logged |
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Stephen Posts: 625 |
posted 04-15-2003 01:08 AM
What a great looking spoon. Is it really as 3D as it looks? Do the marks on your spoons look like either of the ones posted above? IP: Logged |
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RSConforti Posts: 5 |
posted 04-15-2003 06:08 AM
Please excuse my fast fingers and poor proofreading skills, as I mistyped your name, Stephen. Yes, the handles are "3D"; the middle bit is thicker (that is, higher) than either side. I don't understand the phrase "Either [mark] posted above." I see Doobees posting of a part of a book's page. To answer without understanding the question is foolhardy, but I will try anyway: On Doobee's posting, the mark that appears to fit closest is the "MK" #9810 (if I am reading it correctly). The mark is the one under the #7532 mark. Thank you so much for your assistance. IP: Logged |
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doobees Posts: 277 |
posted 04-15-2003 04:28 PM
Well darn! Wouldn't you know that the mark #9310 is not listed as to place or date. The book indicates that the mark does exist - and it seems that it would have fit in near Olmutz after 1824, but there is no real reference to the 2nd MK, so I'm just wildly guessing and am stopped in my tracks now. I'll keep looking. And I'll go check on any info I can dig up on silver from Olmutz. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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doobees Posts: 277 |
posted 04-15-2003 04:39 PM
RSCONFORTI, so far all I know about Olmutz silver is that you can get a charm souvenir of the place (in gold or silver) if you'd like... I put the following info here. You might try to see if the university is any help, of if there is an assay office contact. "Olomouc (German Olmutz), city in the east central part of the Czech Republic, located on the Morava River. Olomouc is a trade and industrial center for the surrounding region, which specializes in dairying and barley. Olomouc has ironworks and steelworks, breweries, and saltworks; products include smoked meats, malt, sugar, chocolate, candy, cement, and machinery. A historic city located in the Moravia region, it contains Palacký University (founded in 1573, reestablished in 1946." Let me know if you get any other leads, I'll be glad to help you follow them.
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RSConforti Posts: 5 |
posted 04-15-2003 05:57 PM
Thanks so much for the information you have given me! IP: Logged |
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