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JBree03

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iconnumber posted 07-19-2003 05:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JBree03     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, In reviewing the available info on Rogers Vintage silverplate, I note that Meriden acquired Rogers in 1862 and became part of International Silver in 1898. Is it reasonable to assume that something marked both Rogers and Meriden would fall betwen these dates? There is another note that Vintage was introduced in 1904, which would not be consistent with those dates. The Vintage I have says 1847 Rogers Bros. A1 followed in a circle by Meriden B ASC/O? Could you clarify the last letters for me? In the center of the circle appears to be 2 figures facing each other in silouette, not the scales I'm accustomed to with Meriden. Could anyone identify this mark for me? The forum note identifying Vintage as post 1904 shows the ingraving as Rogers Bros XS Triple, not as mine, noted above. Does that indicate a later version of the pattern than the A1? Does anyone know the range of manufacturing dates for the A1 version? Thanks, Jim

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 07-19-2003 09:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
International Silver was not originally an integrated company. It was a consortium or trust in which a number of smaller and larger firms banded together to divvy up the market. And avoid price competition with each other. Each firm continued to produce its own lines and products for sale through their own established retailers and wholesaler. IS appears to have started integrating into a modern type of firm in the early 1920's.


So, it is entirely possible that the Meriden Brittania marks appeared on 1847 silver down into the late teens. This was the premier flatware mark of the MBC, and would have been sold through the channels established by MBC. There are pieces of Old Colony 1911 marked this way. I really don't feel that a mark alone is sufficient to date many pieces made by firms within IS.


The various marks A1, XsTriple, and so forth are platers guides. They determine the amount of time this grade was to spend being plated. Which time determines the amount of silver deposited on the ware. At this time there was a very complicated system of grades of flatware within each pattern. This system was abandoned around the time of WW1. So, all of these different marks were made at the same time. Confusing but that was the practice of the period.

I don't recognize the mark you describe, which means nothing. It could have been a specialized mark for some particular retailer or wholesaler.

Hope this sheds some light on a very confusing situation.

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JBree03

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iconnumber posted 07-19-2003 10:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JBree03     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tx, Dale, Jim

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