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Author Topic:   Please help w/ ID of silver & ruby honey bee pot.
Cyn

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iconnumber posted 07-24-2003 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cyn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hello everyone:

Thanks for looking at my post. I have this silverplate and ruby glass honey bee pot w/ the marking "ANRINONGATEPRODUOT" (at least that's what it looks like to me). Do you know anything about it?

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Patrick Vyvyan

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iconnumber posted 09-10-2003 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Patrick Vyvyan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hive seen another of these on the Internet. According to the seller, it is marked "An Iron Gate Product". This at least clarifies the indistinct markings on your example.

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 09-10-2003 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
These honey pots were originally made in the 20's and 30's. They seem to be English, and vaguely attributed to several designers. None of the attributions was particularly credible. By the late 70's they were considered quite collectible. In my experience, they were more likely carried by Art Deco dealers than silver dealers. Beginning in the mid80's, they began to appear in quantity. Never a great many of them, but a noticable rise in quantity. In any event, new or old these are wonderful.

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Cyn

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iconnumber posted 09-11-2003 10:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cyn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WOW! Thanks to all of you for reviving this post. Am I to understand that reproductions were made in the 80's?

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Anuh

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iconnumber posted 09-11-2003 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anuh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cyn, with two different marks, it is always possible that the unknown mark is a reproduction. Is it possible for you to take a picture of the mark?

ANRINONGATEPRODUOT & An Iron Gate Product MAY be the same mark. Or it could be that the seller on eBay just misread the mark and posted it as they thought it read. They show no picture of the mark either!

When I first saw the mark, my instinct said Portugese - not that I speak the language, but I've seen a lot of it over the years. And this could be a reprod done in some country like Brazil, where Portugese is the main language. But that is just a guess.

One thing we DO know is that the mark is unlikely to refer to one of the older and better companies, or someone would have recognized it! wink

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Cyn

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iconnumber posted 09-11-2003 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cyn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now that isn't good news. Funny you should mention Brazil, I once saw this bee on eBay and the seller's location was Brazil. Please take a look of the marking. It's the closest I could get and still be in focus.

[This message has been edited by Cyn (edited 09-11-2003).]

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 09-12-2003 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
These began to appear in larger numbers in the 80's. Not exactly sure if it is fair to say they were reproduced then. Just remember suddenly there were a lot more of them. Again, it was the Deco dealers who had them. There was never a flood the way the repro napkin rings and pickle casters appeared. Just noticeably more.

On Brazil, I would agree with that general part of the world. At the same time there began to appear quite a few of the crab shaped inkwells, in a variety of sizes. These were generally regarded as being Argentinian. Another wonderful item.

The bee shaped honey pot seems like something worth reproducing. The world appears to have enough Revere bowls to last for at least 6 generations. But there is a shortage of really whimsical silver items. Seems like a good thing to reproduce. Stangely, I do not recall the dirigible shaped cocktail shaker getting the same treatment.

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Anuh

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iconnumber posted 09-12-2003 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anuh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If the repros are good quality, I'm with you as long as they are marked, Dale. A nice repro would give lots of people interesting pieces to add to their homes and hearts, even if they can't afford (or find) the real thing!

I wonder if Kovel's had anything listed about these repros back then?

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 12-27-2009 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is an example of the "An Iron Gate Product" silver plate item. Our friend Charles's wife (Charles passed 2 years ago) came upon this with a note from Charles indicating it was a prized "21" Club cigar ash tray. In the center inside bottom is a "21" pretty well polished out so we didn't take a photo. Maybe she should return it to the "21" Club? wink

"21" Club

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jersey

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iconnumber posted 10-28-2012 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jersey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Scott,

It may be too late but just thought I would comment on the ash tray. It may also have been purchased at the gift shop store at the 21 Club.

Jersey

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