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suefromoz

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iconnumber posted 08-14-2003 06:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for suefromoz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a charming small bowl, with the name Mappin in the cartouche. Is this before they became Mappin & Webb?? It has embossed (??)roses and lion's heads around the side and paws for the stand. The mark is worn but the first one looks like a star, followed by M, B , Mappin. Under that are O O in separate cartouches and then maybe a G or an O again. It is 3" wide and 1 1/2" high. Inside is enough pitting to make me wonder if it could be a salt. Would anyone be able to help me age and identify this please.

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Patrick Vyvyan

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iconnumber posted 08-18-2003 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Patrick Vyvyan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Although I can't offer much in the way of a date, I believe your piece (I'm certain it is for salt) was made by Mappin Brothers - which had an independent history to Mappin & Webb.

Joseph Mappin started to produce knives, razors etc in Sheffield in 1810. He died in 1841 and was succeeded by his eldest son Frederick Thorpe Mappin. In 1851 he was joined by his other brothers and the firm became known as Mappin Brothers.

Federick left the family business in 1859 and became a successful industrialist and politician.

Another brother, John Newton Mappin also left the family business in in 1858 formed a partnership with his brother-in-law George Webb - Mappin & Webb.

Mappin Brothers continued under the remaining brothers, Edward and Joseph Charles Mappin. However, they apparently did not prosper and the company was later bought by a London silversmith.

In 1903, however, Mappin Brothers was finally bought "back" by Mappin & Webb.

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suefromoz

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iconnumber posted 08-20-2003 07:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for suefromoz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Patrick, you have helped me greatly! I think...am I correct in understanding that Mappin is also a Mappin & Webb mark or did they use their joint names ? Might have to find their website and see if their information folk can help here. If they can , I will add whatever info I get, as someone else may need it at some point. (I did reply a few days back but must have forgotten to hit the post button - blush) Many thanks!

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Patrick Vyvyan

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iconnumber posted 08-20-2003 10:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Patrick Vyvyan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think (and I'm not at all sure of this) that M B and MAPPIN alone indicate Mappin Brothers, while M&W or MAPPIN & WEBB in full indicate Mappin & Webb. The difference denoting the two distinct companies seems to fit.

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suefromoz

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iconnumber posted 08-22-2003 06:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for suefromoz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Patrick and all others interested,

I had a reply from Mappin & Webb, in London, and this is what they said:

Not much information I am afraid, the Old English MB stands for Mappin Brothers which means that it would have been made in Sheffield around 1848-1863. The 3 lower marks could signify a triple deposit of silver plate. The mark on the left cannot be identified.

I am certainly happy with the info they provided! Thanks for helping me again

Sue

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