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algomaangel

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iconnumber posted 09-02-2003 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for algomaangel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, I don't know much about Silver or Silverplate, so here is a pic of the shakers

and a description of the marks on the bottom as they did not show up in any of the pics I have taken so far. The first mark on the bottom is a SP in a shield with 116 directly beneath the shield, then on another side still on the base is ANT. or (AMT.)LEAD, DES. REG. CANADA, PAT. PEND. and what looks like a "ht" in script with a P below the ht. The ht and P looked like a signature done by hand. Thanks for any help.
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Anuh

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iconnumber posted 09-02-2003 10:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anuh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You might try giving the marks a real good cleaning with silver polish, then wash in hot water and dry with a soft cloth. To photograph marks, I have had excellent success using a 10x-20x-30x magnifier (I buy them by the half dozen, since I tend to lose them! ;-D ), and holding that over the lens of my digital camera. The 116 is probably the model or pattern number for that set; other than that, it is really hard to tell just from a description.

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Paul Lemieux

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iconnumber posted 09-02-2003 11:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul Lemieux     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are these seemingly very heavy for their size and kind of clunky? Are the undersides somewhat rough, textured, or uneven looking?

I ask because they look similar to 20s and 30s shakers I have seen that are heavily cast out of some base metal and then silverplated. Also because many of these pieces I've seen have had similar shield-shaped marks that are applied to, rather than stamped into, the piece. I think this type of hollowware was a lot cheaper than regular silverplate and it is not as well made.

(Actually, I own a pair of these cast shakers, except they are shaped like pheasants. The seller had a bad picture, and didn't show the marks, but guaranteed they were marked sterling then wouldn't let me return them after I complained. mad )

I don't know what the marks mean, except for DES. REG. is Design Registered, and PAT. PEND. is Patent Pending.

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 09-02-2003 11:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
These are very low grade ones. Some I have had were marked: Made in Japan. Suspect these were sold as a sale item. And some do not even seem to be silverplated, just have a foil. But they were sold for a long period and come in endless shapes and sizes.

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algomaangel

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iconnumber posted 09-03-2003 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for algomaangel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Paul and Dale, yes they are likeyou described, I thought they were extremely heavy for their size.
Thanks for your info, it was very helpful and much appreciated. I had picked them up at a yard sale and not knowing much about them decided I should find out. Glad I only paid a dime for them (I should have known, lol)

Thank you, to all who took the time to post and offer your information! K.

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Anuh

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iconnumber posted 09-03-2003 10:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anuh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've also found some of those which are totally unmarked.

Quality of the piece is paramount in making a buying decision, for someone who is not really into silver yet but looking to learn. If it looks like you might buy it at Walmart's, it probably isn't very good! biggrin

OTOH, this is a very pretty set and in terms of usage is bargain for 10!

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