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Mishmim Posts: 5 |
posted 04-21-2004 04:26 AM
  
[21-0643] Hello and Good Morning All. I have just started to acquiring some of the "finer" things in life, and I am hoping with your help you can help identify a bowl I purchased. It is described as Silver-plate/Copper antique Art Nouveau Dragonfly Beaten Bowl estimated around 1900. The marking to this amateur would say it is from the United States (bought in UK) because of the $(with 2lines through it) BUT as I say I am an amateur and most likely wrong. REG D T.M. Then under that is some numbers stamped in No 3929 the rest is unreadable. Also as you can see it is quite tarnished/dirty and I am not sure if I should leave it as is or give it a little cleaning. Any suggestions, advice, direction would be so helpful and I thank you in advance for taking time to help me. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Patrick Vyvyan Posts: 640 |
posted 04-24-2004 01:07 AM
Nice bowl! I don't know the mark, but it could be the letters H and S. But, by way of a general observation, it seems to me that Registered Trade Mark numbers are more common in a British context - am I wrong? IP: Logged |
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Patrick Vyvyan Posts: 640 |
posted 06-21-2004 09:00 PM
Vin Callcut's site dedicated to copper http://www.oldcopper.org illustrated the same mark from a pen tray:  Apparently the registration is 1903 IP: Logged |
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Mishmim Posts: 5 |
posted 06-22-2004 01:21 PM
Thanks a million Patrick for finding that. I was just thinking about the bowl the other day and today your email came through. Your a star ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Mishmim Posts: 5 |
posted 09-30-2004 04:01 PM
This past Sunday I went to the Antique Road Show and brought along my plate. They are as stumped as me. One seems to think it is an American piece and another said possibaly Japenese, but most likely American. So the search still continues IP: Logged |
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Dale Posts: 2132 |
posted 10-02-2004 01:07 AM
To my mind it looks like a Pairpoint or Tufts piece. The mark is not one I am familiar with. There are a number of wonderful pieces that float throught the antiques market with a colorful past. They seem to have begun life as a copper item; genuinely hand made. At some point they acquired a silver plate coating. Now they pop up and discombobulate us. Patrick is very right: registry marks are almost always British. My guess is that this began as a copper bowl, somehow had a dragonfly attached at a later date and then even later became silverplated. The silverplate is now worn so the copper shows through. It is a wonderful piece. My own inclination would be to enjoy it, and not worry about its somewhat shady history. The type of design seems related to a Japanois look based on folded fabric. IP: Logged |
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Mishmim Posts: 5 |
posted 10-02-2004 08:23 AM
Dale, Thank you for your input/insight. Now it seems even more fun in assumptions, which just adds to the mystery. You are 100% right in sitting back and enjoying it. That I can do and I do. The dragonfly isn't attached, it's raised. It had been hammered/tapped making the impression on the backside. "Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy s**t...what a ride!" ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Dale Posts: 2132 |
posted 10-02-2004 01:08 PM
Great quote, thanks. One thing I always remind myself of when looking at an object is to ask: what idiot things have been done to this? Keeping in mind an important consideration: there have always been interior decorators. Plating a copper piece with silver sounds very interior decoratorish. In my experience, this tended to happen in the 20's and 30's. Which is also when decorators used a pastel penetrating stain on Victorian walnut furniture to make them look vaguely Roccoco. In the 30's decorators sometimes plated Victorian silver plate with chrome. Anyway, rambling thoughts on the subject. IP: Logged |
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Mishmim Posts: 5 |
posted 10-03-2004 08:01 AM
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dragonflywink Posts: 993 |
posted 01-11-2010 02:38 PM
Ran across this old thread while searching for something else, looked like the registration number was for the trademark rather than design, but wisely checked the Oldcopper site before delving into a search and it's been identified - made a bit later than might be expected (scroll about a third of the way down): quote: ~Cheryl IP: Logged |
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