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Paul near Seattle Posts: 1 Registered: Feb 2005	posted 02-12-2005 02:04 PM My wife inherited several oval trays which appear to be silver plate. I would like to know anything about the marks to include with them as we pass them on at weddings. 1: Tray, 37cm X 25cm (14.5"X10"), two marks on back. A circle with "ART KRUPP BERNDORF" around the inside around the edge and a figure of a standing bear in the middle. The bear looks like the symbol for Berlin. further out on the back is the number "718". On the face of the tray on the longer edge is a fancy shield on top of an anchor with the initials "H.A.P.A.G." on the shield. 2. Tray, 32cm X 21cm (12.5"X8.5")Two marks on the back. A circle with "ART KRUPP BERNDORF" around the inside edge of the circle and again the standing bear in the middle. further out on the back is stamped a number with marks : " 1 4 '4' . On the face of this tray is a spread winged eagle with the initials U A L around it, behind the eagle's legs and tail is a banner with "UAL" on the left and what looks like a US Flag on the right of the banner. My wife was born and raised in Germany, north coast. Some time after the war a german customs official "acquired" many silver /plate trays. My wife first knew of them in 1950 to 52. Thankyou for any information or guidance to information you can provide. Paul near Seattle. ------------------ IP: Logged
sazikov2000 Posts: 254 Registered: Jan 2005	posted 02-12-2005 06:31 PM ART KRUPP BERNDORF is the name of the manufacturer (Arthur Krupp AG [joint-stock company]in Berndorf/Austria. This firm had fabrications in Austria(Berndorf), Swizerland(Luzern) and Germany(Eßlingen). The bear is the logo of the firm. The German word "Berndorf" sounds like the English word "bearvillage" - therefore the bear as logo. HAPAG was at that time the leading German shipping company (Hamburg Amerika Passagierlinie AG) and is still in business today as a travel agency. UAL was a shipping company too. This plated trays were part of the ships´equipment together with glasses and porzellan - all with the company´s logo. Hope that helps. Sazikov2000 IP: Logged
tmockait Posts: 963 Registered: Jul 2004	posted 08-17-2005 07:35 PM I have a spoon by the same company with the identical name stamp. However there is also the number 12 in a square punch above the number 90 in a circular one. What do these marks mean? I know plate is hard to date, but when was the firm in operation? Thanks, Tom IP: Logged
blakstone Posts: 493 Registered: Jul 2004	posted 08-17-2005 11:22 PM The firm was founded in 1843 and survives today as the Berndorf Besteck & Tafelgeräte, though this new company is part of the post-WWII restructuring. (Krupp was a huge military supplier to the Third Reich and was dismantled after the war.) That's a pretty broad time-frame, so stylistic features would be your best dating tool. The 90/12 is a silverplate quality mark indicating that the total amount of silver in a specified number of pieces (generally one dozen each of table spoons and forks, hence the 12) contains 90 grams of pure silver. Hope this helps! IP: Logged
tmockait Posts: 963 Registered: Jul 2004	posted 08-19-2005 12:49 AM Thanks Blackstone. I am aware of Krupp, who manufactured weapons during both World Wars. I never new that they had anything to do with silver or plate, but I suppose metallurgy is metallurgy! I will post a picture when I get a chance. Tom IP: Logged

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