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BREAMBASHER Posts: 5 |
posted 05-08-2005 11:35 AM
  
Could anyone please identify the makers marks and date mark? Thanks have looked in books and can not match any. All the marks are on forks in sets of 3 except last (no# 4) these are on a set of 6 fish knives IP: Logged |
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Scotia Posts: 125 |
posted 05-08-2005 04:23 PM
Hi there, Your photos all seem to be of silver plate. IP: Logged |
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tmockait Posts: 963 |
posted 05-08-2005 11:39 PM
Since they are definitely silverplate (ep = electroplated), there are no date marks. If some once can id the manufacturer, you may get a ballpark range of years. Since eltroplating was not strickly regulated as was silver production, no date marks were required or provided. Manufacturers often added pseudo-marks to make their pieces look more like real silver (and to confuse future collectors!). Wyler's book of Silverplate might help with the makers. Good luck, IP: Logged |
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Dale Posts: 2132 |
posted 05-09-2005 12:12 AM
Marks of this type seem to be associated with Ye Olde styles of silver. What pieces are they found on? Do the pieces show a basic compatibility or are they noticably distinct in style? Frequently, size and function are better indicators of age than marks. Please tell us more so we might date them. Also, silverplate hollow ware can have age ranges of over 100 years. IP: Logged |
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Patrick Vyvyan Posts: 640 |
posted 05-09-2005 01:16 PM
Scotia, tom and Dale are, of course, all correct that these marks are silverplate. The only one I am reasonably sure about is number 4, JR & S is Joseph Rogers and sons of Sheffield, England. They started as a cutlery firm in the 18th century, but your piece is probably late 19th or 20th century. The fourth mark seems to be a varient on a crown. Silverplaters were fond of using the crown, perhaps to suggest royal connections and also to imitate the crown which was the official city mark for Sheffield on sterling silver. This practice was banned in the 1890s, and thus your "crown which isn't" points to a later date. IP: Logged |
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Dale Posts: 2132 |
posted 05-10-2005 12:06 AM
Patrick, did the ban on the 'crown' mark cover all production or only that sold in the UK? Could it have continued on items destined for export only? The reason I ask is that a 'crown' is a fairly common mark on department store silverplate in the US. My impression has always been that much of this was imported. Mainly because I could never connect it to any US maker. I wonder if exporting silverplate in need of some finishing (ie final polishing) would have been a method around the ban. IP: Logged |
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Patrick Vyvyan Posts: 640 |
posted 05-10-2005 12:59 AM
Um! Er! Here I will happily defer to the experts, but my understanding is that the ban by the Sheffield Assay Office was informal - threats of heavy legal action were made, but ultimately the silver-platers came into line, making the promised legal action unnecessary. So, yes, your scenario seems very plausible. Forgery, it seems, under English law is not the copying but rather the offering for sale. So items intended for export would not technically have been offered for sale under British jurisdiction. IP: Logged |
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Waylander Posts: 131 |
posted 05-10-2005 05:22 AM
Spoon 2 would be by Harrison Brothers & Howson. Waylander IP: Logged |
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BREAMBASHER Posts: 5 |
posted 05-11-2005 06:11 AM
Thanks for all the help so far first time I’ve used site still getting used to it. Thanks IP: Logged |
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