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NicolaLinza Posts: 15 |
posted 03-21-2005 09:38 AM
  
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 03-21-2005 10:37 AM
By a coincidence, are these the marks? Help w/ American Silverplate Marking IP: Logged |
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NicolaLinza Posts: 15 |
posted 03-21-2005 10:43 AM
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 03-21-2005 10:47 AM
As I mentioned in the other thread, according to the illustration in Rainwater, these marks were used on sterling silver goods, but I can't confirm that one way or the other. overall and detail pictures would assist in making a judgement. IP: Logged |
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NicolaLinza Posts: 15 |
posted 03-21-2005 11:38 AM
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Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 03-21-2005 04:31 PM
Hi Nicola. Welcome to the silver forum! As was mentioned in the other post, the general thought is that reference book is likely incorrect and these marks tend to be found on silver plated objects rather than sterling silver objects. If my computer monitor is accurate, your vase appears to have some copper color to it which would confirm that it was originally a thin layer of silver applied to a copper base, and that much of the silver has been worn off by overly enthusiastic polishing over the years. Have you been collecting silver for very long? IP: Logged |
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NicolaLinza Posts: 15 |
posted 03-21-2005 04:42 PM
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Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 03-21-2005 05:05 PM
The original way to make silver plate, before the days of electroplating, was to take a thicker sheet of copper and two thinner sheets of silver and fuse them together either by pounding on them with a hammer which forces the molecules together, or by heating. The problem with this was that the resulting sandwich of silver - copper - silver would show the copper where ever there was an edge on an object made from it. One technique for handling this was to take a silver wire and fuse it to the edges to cover up the copper layer that was showing. Over time, an object would get handled and polished many times and the points of greatest wear - the edges and the highpoints in a design, would get the most handling and polishing. The relatively soft silver would be worn away exposing the underlying copper sheet. This is what you appear to have. IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 03-21-2005 05:56 PM
Though Kimo's description of Sheffield plating is correct, I would seriously doubt that Webster ever used the technique. In its prime, it was expensive, labour intensive, and required experience and specialized equipment to do well; by the 1880s it was virtually forgotten as a shop practice. This vase apppears to be an attempt to cash in on the orientalism/naturalism craze of the time with a less costly version of the bi-metal work being produced by Tiffany and Gorham. This is not to say that it is unsuccessful or any the less interesting, just of a lower level of craft. IP: Logged |
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NicolaLinza Posts: 15 |
posted 03-21-2005 07:14 PM
Thank you both for the responses. I have to agree this is most likely what you both have described. It is right on the level of Tiffany and Gorham of which I am very familiar. I think the suggestion that this piece is right timeframe wise with the trend for Orientalism during the late 19th century. This has been very informative. I also doubt that it is a Sheffield technique yet nonetheless the levels or layers of sheets are clear. The fruit and leaves to the top and bottom are applied. The interior main body work is possibly rolled? and then hand worked? Our piece does have a line seam on side of main wall. [This message has been edited by NicolaLinza (edited 09-18-2010).] IP: Logged |
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