maker ID is worn off. help please to ID.

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Viper Posts: 10 Registered: Oct 2005	posted 11-23-2005 01:52 AM Here's a tough one. Son brought me this today from a local garage sale, but despite using my wimpy magnifying glass, this is the best shot I can get of the maker. As you can see most of the makers name has worn off. If anyone can ID or point me in the right direction .... Thank you. IP: Logged
outwest Posts: 390 Registered: Nov 2005	posted 11-25-2005 02:41 AM How was a toast rack used? Did they stick it in the oven (I can't see that with a silver toast rack) or was it meant to hold the toast after toasting (it would get cold!)? How did they toast bread before toasters or toaster ovens anyway. IP: Logged
FWG Posts: 845 Registered: Aug 2005	posted 11-25-2005 11:34 AM A toast rack was for serving it at the table, and it was often allowed to get cold (some believe the British, who still often serve it that way, prefer it cold, but they joke about it themselves and apparently it has more to do with a preference for tidiness at the table than with being cold per se). The spacing in the rack was to keep the toast from getting soggy as it cooled. There were (iron) toasting forks, on which one would stick a piece of bread to hold in a fire for toasting. At least as early as the 19th century there also were devices that could be set in a hearth near a fire that would hold the pieces of bread; some also were developed that allowed it's turning within the device, sort of like the mechanisms of the earliest electric toasters that open, rotate, and close back up again. One could also do the toasting on a hot pan (the simplist version of the panini press for sandwiches), but I can't remember ever seeing that attested. IP: Logged
Clive E Taylor Posts: 450 Registered: Jul 2000	posted 11-25-2005 02:28 PM Being somewhat British I can assure FWG that we still use toast racks. The toast is allowed to cool on these items , then the user applies butter and marmalade. If you apply butter to hot toast things get very messy indeed. Traditionally the first meal of the day was prepared by the servants and all guests served themselves at whatever time of day they crawled out of bed. Breakfast is not a social meal for the English. Hence so many dishes and devises for keeping food hot while it stood on a side table. The servants were in attendance , but did not specifically serve. We still serve clients with toast on a toast rck on our boat - and Americans seem to like it that way once they get over the shock. Clive IP: Logged
FWG Posts: 845 Registered: Aug 2005	posted 11-25-2005 02:51 PM Yes, I enjoyed it that way myself when I was in London doing archival research, about 15 years ago. I even developed a deep appreciation for butter on a roast beef sandwich (although it probably helps if the butter is as good as one gets in England).... I have to say, though, that my preference is for toast buttered straight out of the toaster, as is still done in the American diners that haven't been browbeaten by the anti-butter brigades. IP: Logged
FWG Posts: 845 Registered: Aug 2005	posted 11-25-2005 02:55 PM But to get back to the origin of this thread, I'm afraid I can't make out the mark either. I've seen the design, and I believe it to be a fairly standard silverplate piece as one might find in a hotel or B&B. But I can't identify the maker. IP: Logged
Viper Posts: 10 Registered: Oct 2005	posted 11-25-2005 09:43 PM Not that it may help but my son and I think it may have been stamped twice once above and slightly to the right of the 1st (or secondary) stamping. It so bloody frustrating not being able to figure out what it says. Granted these old eyes are old but they work for the most part. Is it the mark of the maker or the name of a store or what. sidebar-cold toast doesn't sound appealing regardless of which side of the pond its served. IP: Logged
outwest Posts: 390 Registered: Nov 2005	posted 11-26-2005 12:46 AM Thanks for the toast rack education. I still want my toast warm with melted butter. That looks like an 'A' and a '1' as the first two letters (meaning silver plate) which are double stamped. It doesn't look like the others are double stamped. If you set aside the A1 with the double stamps then you have a word then a 4(?) then a word. The last word looks like 'Iced' (the 'd' bottom looks similar in patented). So now you just have the first word. I think there is a lower case 'n' or it is an 'I'and something else. there is a 'c' after that. It almost looks like A1 ---nical 4 iced or A1 ---cal 4 ice- . You could compare the bottoms of the letters that are wiped off to the known letters below after negating the A1 and the Iced and the 4 since those are fairly clear. Then if the bottoms don't match anything in the word 'patented' go through the alphabet and check what letters they could possibly be. It's like a cryptic puzzle. My guesses are purely guesses and maybe you should just put toast in it and forget it. Nah, that's no fun. And that's all I can do with that. [This message has been edited by outwest (edited 11-26-2005).] IP: Logged
Clive E Taylor Posts: 450 Registered: Jul 2000	posted 11-26-2005 05:14 AM My wife , whose ablity to decypher impossible marks never ceases to annoy me, thinks the marks may be Arthur Price and Co. She seems to remember them as a firm of cutlery makers in Sheffield. She believes they may still be active. IP: Logged
Viper Posts: 10 Registered: Oct 2005	posted 11-26-2005 10:36 AM Clive-give your wife a HUGE smooch from me! Thank you, and her!!! IP: Logged
FWG Posts: 845 Registered: Aug 2005	posted 11-26-2005 11:00 AM Yep, that's it, no doubt about it! And I thought I was pretty good at that game. Congrats to Clive's wife! And the company actually has a rather nice website, with a wide range of goods at what look to be not unreasonable prices. The only toast rack I saw, though, is a different design. quote: In 1912 Arthur Price supplied Cutlery to the R M S Titanic and in 1976 designed and supplied the very first Cutlery for the then new supersonic Concorde. [This message has been edited by FWG (edited 11-26-2005).] IP: Logged
outwest Posts: 390 Registered: Nov 2005	posted 11-26-2005 01:46 PM Well, I got the ice right. Glad someone was able to figure it out! IP: Logged
Viper Posts: 10 Registered: Oct 2005	posted 11-26-2005 02:14 PM Outwest-you did good too. Thank you. IP: Logged
outwest Posts: 390 Registered: Nov 2005	posted 11-27-2005 12:23 PM No I didn't! But, it was fun to try. IP: Logged

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