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iconnumber posted 08-02-2004 08:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Suz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am new to this site and hope that someone can help direct me to the correct maker.

I have a serving piece that came from a Louisiana auction. It has a cover, tray insert for water and the base. It is rather ornate and has a place for a family crest but there is none. Rope shaped silver design is in edge and handle parts. The top piece, which has the place for a coat of arms, also looks engraved with design that includes a leaf pattern.

The only mark I see, aside from numbers that signify the pieces belong together, is a mark which has four arrows (two sets of them that criss cross each other). On the bottom bowl piece, in addition to the arrow mark there is also the letter "J" stamped.

I have Rainwater's silver guide and the only maker which I can come up with is Wm Hutton, although the mark which is show in the book has 3 arrows which criss cross another set of three arrows and the piece I have has sets of 4 arrows.

I am only recently educating myself on the subject of silver, although I have been collecting silver plated serving pieces for a few years now.

I appreciate any assistance or advice that someone can offer.

let's see if I can add a pic here

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iconnumber posted 08-02-2004 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Patrick Vyvyan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
William Hutton apparently used marks with both 6 and 8 arrows, although I believe a similar mark with 8 arrows was used by T. & J. Creswick, at least on earlier Sheffield Plate. Perhaps there was some continuity?

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iconnumber posted 08-02-2004 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Suz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for your reply Patrick! I will have to look into the maker that you mentioned. I was thinking that perhaps there was some continuity.

I had just read an article about dating the early sheffield plate pieces and the piece I have seems to have many of the required "suspects:" no/few marks, the rope which would cover the seams, and in an area that does have a seam I can get my fingernail into it.

I think I need more reference books! After the rainwater one, any suggestions as to my next purchase? Maybe one that offers more detail on English Makers?

thx mucho!


Just wanted to add that I have spent the AM reseaching this lead and I do think you have put me on to something! Perhaps the "J" mark refers to James. I did find reference to them using the 8 arrow mark on a few sites.

Thanks again O great one!!!

[This message has been edited by Suz (edited 08-02-2004).]

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