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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 10-05-2009 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

My wife brought this tea pot home from the flea market yesterday and it has some interesting features. It is a silverplate tea pot with a mark as shown above. The mark is within a misshaped oval has the appearance of being inserted into the bottom sometime after the tea pot had been constructed. It could be that something else caused the silver to be worn away and the result simply was the outline of an oval. I really cannot think of any reason why one would want to put a non-original mark on this pot.

The mark is worn – looks something like an urn – and is on a striated background.

The pictures below show some of the features of the tea pot that are attractive and seem to be fairly true to the 18th century version. Most likely this one was made after 1900.



Any thoughts on the maker or age?

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 10-05-2009 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice teapot. All that I know about teapots of this type is that they were purchased at better jewelry and department stores from the 1890's onwards. Who made them is most likely unknowable. They appear on the market regularly and the provenances I have tracked down amount to Aunt Julie had it her whole life/ Dad brought it back from England after the war/ bought it at at a department store.

'I really cannot think of any reason why one would want to put a non-original mark on this pot.'

Marks on silverplate are frequently about how the piece was sold not who made it. My understanding is that the metal was shaped and then sold to various jobbers around the world. This got around tariff problems with finished goods. So, there might be several hundred unassembled tea pots held by jobbers in the US. As requests for them came in, the jobber would assemble the pot, have it plated and then sent out. My understanding is that retailers never held a large inventory of these. But the retailer could request some sort of distinctive mark. Which given the small number per order would be economically done by hand.

Silverplate production is a high tech procedure. Which requires economies of scale to be profitable. So, spreading the unfinished parts all over the place and completeing the work over a number of years would actually be economical.

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 10-05-2009 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
to me the mark could be:

see: Bell mark? Can anyone ID this mark?

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 10-06-2009 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Dale and Scott. BellMark may have played a role in making of this tea pot.
I wonder why they moved from Sheffield to Peoria Arizona.

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What does the interior look like? Any signs of handwork? The bell mark was actually first used in England circa 1828 by Roberts, Smith & Co. Bellmark is either a descendant of the original company or a purchaser of the trademark.

Without any more information, I might speculate that this was an attempt to pass off a modern pot as Old Sheffield by cutting out and inserting a mark from a damaged piece of OSP. We know it was done with sterling pieces; why not plate?

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iconnumber posted 10-06-2009 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bellmark's history as presented by their website:

'Established in Sheffield, England in 1785 and brought into the United States in the early 1940's, the dedicated tradition has continued in offering the finest original quality products, designs and lovingly handcrafted creations.

Bell Mark was originally registered to Roberts, Cadman and Company in 1785, then registered to Roberts, Smith and Company in 1828, and later registered to Smith, Sissons and Company in 1848. It wasn't until about a century later in the 1940's that L. Ben Tobert relocated Bell Mark to New York City and shortly thereafter, Beverly Hills, California, where once again, the rich heritage of fine quality silver-smithing and craftsmanship continued.

The Ponce family had direct contact with Bell Mark since it was shipped to the United States in the early 1940's. Paulino E. Ponce, a craftsman at Bell Mark, would create beautiful hand crafted designs to reproduce the elegant workmanship of the 18th century. His son, Paul Ponce, later joined his father to create beautiful works of art. Bell Mark was taken over be the Ponce family in 1975 and moved to the Los Angeles, California area. Working side by side both father, Paulino E. Ponce, and son, Paul Ponce, would work on Bell Mark's Old World tradition of manufacturing the beauty of the early craftsmanship.

In 1992, Paulino E. Ponce retired and left Bell Mark in the hands of his son, Paul Ponce, to continue the generations of silver-smithing. In that same year, Paul Ponce relocated Bell Mark to Peoria, Arizona. There he has continued these traditions as well as creating remarkably original and innovative designs with his immediate family. Not only have Paulino E. Ponce and Paul Ponce always had a great passion and interest in becoming expert silversmiths, but also, to this day many members of the Ponce family are practicing this trade as well.'

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 10-06-2009 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Going through the catalog at Bellmark's website, it appears they now are primarily a maker of upper end commercial silverplate holloware. They also offer everything in copper as well as some stainless steel. From the literature, it appears they have become a custom maker for the restaurant and catering trade.

There are no teapots on offer. They do have urns and endless chafing dishes. Also champagne fountains and wine coolers.

Custom work seems to be the main offering. Very nice quality as shown by their new wine bucket:

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 10-06-2009 05:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The metal on the inside of the pot appears to me to be tin. There is a rectangular strip of some other metal on the center of the bottom directly over the mark and where the flame of the burner would strike. The strip is narrow and does not cover the irregular oval seen from the bottom. From the looks of the burner it appears to me that previous owners enjoyed their tea hot.

The tinning may cover the insertion of the mark better than the silverplate did, but at the current state the inside does not reveal any information.

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Brent

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iconnumber posted 10-06-2009 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lots of old Sheffield plate hollowware had tinned interiors. Any chance of posting a picture of the inside? I know they are hard to take. Also, any copper peeking through at the edges?

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iconnumber posted 10-07-2009 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Brent, the picture of the interior is shown below together with a picture of the underside of the lid. The pot is not Old Sheffield Plate as I hope is visible in the photos. On OSP the edges would have some addition to hide the sandwiched copper. Here all the edges are plain.

The interior of the pot does have some metal that was added. This metal, as best as I can tell, does not cover the identical area as the misshaped oval ring seen from the bottom.

I have no idea why this metal was added and as you can see whoever did it was not very skilled.

A good deal of discussion has been generated for a teapot that cost less than a good hamburger. One never knows what they will find at a flea market.


I love OSP and wish I saw more of it. Below are a couple of my favorites in OSP. Both of these show the skill of the silversmith in covering the copper that would normally show on the edges. I wish that the names of these silversmiths were available today.




I suspect that most of the OSP manufacturers copied designs from the solid silver trade. Does anyone know of an occasion when the OSP manufacturers initiated their own original design?

Also I was told at an antique show last weekend by ceramic dealer that the solid silver trade initiated most of the designs in the ceramic field. She handled mostly ceramics from the 1700s up to about 1810.

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 10-07-2009 10:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
'Does anyone know of an occasion when the OSP manufactures initiated their own original design?'

There is some medicinal fusion plate out there. I have handled a blood drawing bowl with built in cutter and a gout steaming stool. Both were really original designs.

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iconnumber posted 10-07-2009 11:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is nice to see that they were trying to keep health care costs down by using OSP.

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