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venus

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iconnumber posted 03-14-2006 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Sorta suspect it has something to do with salt? Anyone know for sure? The cups are fluted glass.

The base has a "blob" of silver and impressed into it is what looks like a oak tree. It is all very faint and the magnifier and loupe helped not much.

Anyone know of a oak tree mark? It is a trunk and branches, if it had leaves they are gone.

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tmockait

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iconnumber posted 03-14-2006 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus,

I cannot see the mark well enough in your photo. See what you can do to reduce the glare. Tardy lists towns in the Netherlands and Sweded that had tree marks of various kinds. Can you tell us more abou the size of the piece, its background, how old it might be.

Tom

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venus

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iconnumber posted 03-15-2006 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tom..... the back history goes like this. On Saturday I bought it at one of the local flea markets from Mary who bought it on Friday from a yard sale, seller unknown. This was all in USA. So much for a fancy provenance eh? *smile*

It stands about 4 1/2" from feet to finial. It is about 4 1/2" across at the glass "cups" and the base is 2" square. The item is heavily tarnished and has a monogram in script, it looks to be LL.
Hope this new picture is a little clearer. On the "trunk" it looks like possible a W. There is also some kind of mark on the bottom side, which is impossible to capture and describe and may be only a tool mark.

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jersey

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iconnumber posted 03-15-2006 06:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jersey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi venus!
Try taking your pictures outside without the flash, this might reduce the glare. Or when you shoot the item try and get the flash so it doesn't hit the piece (point it away), if you get my meaning.
Jersey

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venus

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iconnumber posted 03-15-2006 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good ideas jersey, thanks. I need to try the milk jug thing or the candle soot, tape, paper one also.

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outwest

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iconnumber posted 03-16-2006 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for outwest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've never gotten a good picture of silver using a flash. Outside in the shade seems to always work best.

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Clive E Taylor

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Tips for mean people who like me do not wish to invest in expensive camera lighting.

Use daylight on a cloudy bright day.

Put up folded white cards to reflect light into shadows.

Further diffusion can be effected with thin white (and it must be white ) tissue paper or bubblewrap in between the light direction and the subject.

If you wish to use flash - cover the head of the flash gun with a white (and it must be white) hankerchief (or my famous bubblewrap)
Do not cover the flash sensor or you willl overexpose.

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Dale

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There are some special production marks using an oak that refer to Connecticutt's Charter Oak. Right now I can't put my finger on them. An origin in CT, like IS, would be suspected. Hope this helps.

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 03-16-2006 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rainwater shows an oak tree as a mark of IS. She lists it under both the Charter Company and International. The mark was used on reproductions of colonial silver, done in sterling. First it was an IS Barbout mark, 1930 to 33; then a Walingford mark into the early 40's.

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venus

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iconnumber posted 03-17-2006 07:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The odd thing about this thing is that it is nicley made, until you get to the bottom, then it is really messy looking. Two larger, flatter "blobs", then the one that has something which may be a tree. The tree one is about 1/16th of an inch raised. You may have been able to see how the area at the bottom is not square, but sligtly irregular. Thanks for all the imput and photo advise. Went out and bought a new camera and it is only slightly better than my cheapie one. heh

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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 03-17-2006 08:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here are links to three good threads on how to photograph silver and have good results. They are really worth reading.

Photographing silver advice

More photographing silver advice

Even more photographing silver advice

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