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GreyEyedLibra

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iconnumber posted 08-09-2006 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GreyEyedLibra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I have a pair of these candlesticks. They are made by Derby S. P. Co. International S. Co. They have marks I would like to know what they mean. Here is a picture of the bottom. TOP ROW MIDDLE PICTURE is the markings on mine.

Mine has numbers 2552 on the bottom. I believe this is the pattern #?? Also What are the 4 letters?? AND WHAT DO THEY MEAN??? And When were these made?? Year?? PLEASE HELP!!! Also mine are very tarnished. Should I or can I polish them?? Will it hurt the value???

PLEASE HELP ME TO KNOW ABOUT MY CANDLESTICKS!!!

THANKS!!!

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 08-09-2006 11:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Grey Eyed Libra,

Why don't you tell us a bit about yourself and your interest in silver. How did you come to own these lovely pieces? (By the way, I suspect these are not candlesticks.)

Marks used on International Silver Company pieces are a very confusing issue. Derby was one of the constituents of IS, and the Derby mark was used for a long time. In very strange ways. Are the other marks you show from a book?

Anyway, what is the design motif here? Is it a Dutch scene? Or something ornate? And how tall are they, which tells us a whole lot.

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iconnumber posted 08-10-2006 12:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GreyEyedLibra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I'm 25 And have always loved Silver. I love old things. They mean a lot to me and I love to know their history and origin. I picked up these (candlesticks) as I thought they were. At a garage sale awhile back. They are tarnished but I loved the detail!!!

The detailing is very detailed. Not sure what you would call it. The photos I have posted are ones I found by searching for days on the internet. And I finally found 1 photo of what looks to be the same (candlesticks). An the markings as well I found 1 photo that had one picture of the markings that are on the bottom of mine.

There is detail of "people". around the middle of the post. Looks like men and women. Some of the people have hats on and appear to be like they are in a pose like they are dancing? or moving? And this detail is right above the smallest point in the post. So it could be as you say "A Dutch Scene"

And the "letters" on the bottom, 3 of them appear to be "D W and M" (in that order) but I can't make out what the first one is.

The height is 5 3/8" tall.

I hope I answered correctly. I'm still new to the correct "terms" in describing silver. But I'm learning. So please feel free to correct me.

THANKS SO MUCH.

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 08-11-2006 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the further information.

The mark you show of Derby above IS is one I suspect to be a post WW1 mark. There is no clear guide to when marks were used, and when they were ended. Most likely because IS had no real policy on the subject. The company just used what was handy, which results in late production from old dies bearing an early mark. IS marks are a very confusing subject.

The Dutch scene you describe was a minor design movement in silverplate from about 1910 onwards. The sticks you have fit into that. When new, I suspect they held either a peg lamp or glass bowl. The glass was made with a peg on the bottom so it could fit into the opening. These were usually made by Duncan Miller for IS, though sometimes New Martinsville was involved. It would be interesting to check into their patterns to see if one matches the design on your sticks.

When new, these flanked a center piece. Sometimes they were beside a tall vase with handle, the glass bowls holding mints etc. Others held little lamps, usually kerosene, and flanked a compote. The candlesticks in this type of design were somewhat taller and had a smaller opening with not so much space around it.

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iconnumber posted 08-11-2006 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The use of the Derby mark seems to indicate that these were sold at a lower level of retailing than would have been the case with IS's standard brands. Derby which was used off and on by IS into at least the 1950's was mainly a holloware line, and apparently one that coordinated with other types of products. I recall having seen it on lamps, which were not a standard IS product.

Beyond that, all I can say is there needs to be a great deal more research into IS marking and branding practices.

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