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 Old Sheffield Plate Biscuit Jar by Roberts, Cadman BUT
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ReneHR Posts: 5 |
posted 12-02-2006 04:37 PM
  
[26-1271] I have had this a while and I intend to keep it forever, but I am curious about something. I had assumed this was Old Sheffield plate and have identified the bell mark as Roberts, Cadman & Company or later incarnations of this company (Roberts, Smith and Company or Smith, Sissons and Company). In Rainwater (5th Edition) it claims that the bell was used on sterling. Is that wrong? Can anyone date this by the details shown? Thanks! IP: Logged |
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ReneHR Posts: 5 |
posted 12-02-2006 04:40 PM
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 12-02-2006 10:45 PM
see: Bell mark? Can anyone ID this mark? IP: Logged |
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ReneHR Posts: 5 |
posted 12-02-2006 11:18 PM
Thanks. I did read that forum post earlier and I know that company is a successor of the earlier companies that I mentioned. I am very sure my piece is Old Sheffield Plate, not just electroplated. My question was regarding the incorrect reference in Rainwater's book. Are there many errors that have been found? Also, I wondered about the dating of the biscuit jar. I know that OSP was produced up to approximately 1836. The jar to me seems Victorian in style, though. Hope to get an explanation! Thanks! IP: Logged |
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ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 12-03-2006 11:04 AM
The Bell Mark Sheffield Silver Company has a web site and may be interested is seeing your biscuit box and may even be able to provide you information about it. Their web site does not state whether they work in sterling or silverplate, but they may know why Rainwater felt that the mark was reserved for sterling. The use of the mark in England would not necessarily affect its use in the U.S. IP: Logged |
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Dale Posts: 2132 |
posted 12-03-2006 01:56 PM
The interior seam shown is not typical of electro-plated ware. The plating process tends to cover up seams and joins. Don't know if this means anything, but it is what I know. On the reticulated parts, are the closed parts square or slightly beveled? Generally electroplated finials are integral to the lid, not added on. General rules do have exceptions though. How is this hinged? Sheffield plate production began to decline in the mid 1840's. It was supplanted by electroplate by the mid 1850's. However, Sheffield plate continued to be produced in certain narrow areas for a long time. One example we know is in the vanity mirror trade. But there were probably other areas. Judging only by construction, this does not appear to be a typical electroplated piece.
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Dale Posts: 2132 |
posted 12-03-2006 02:08 PM
One sort of personal comment. I have looked at a lot of buscuit barrels over the years. And my feeling has always been that very few were made in electroplate prior to about 1920. From then on, they do appear. And usually copy older styles. So, I wonder if these buscuit jars were one of the things that continued to be made in Sheffield plate long after the industry converted to electroplating. There could have been some reason for it, just what I can't imagine. My other suspicion is that these were faked early on, like over a 100 years ago. To produce a fusion plate with modern machinery would be much easier than the old method. Or maybe the Sheffield platers flooded the market with so many buscuit jars that there was no need to make new ones. Sort of like with stuffing spoons: there are so many Georgian ones floating around the incentive to make new ones in sterling just isn't there. IP: Logged |
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ReneHR Posts: 5 |
posted 12-03-2006 11:22 PM
Thanks for all the responses and the insight into my jar. ahwt: I think I WILL notify the company. Hopefully they still have some records of their predecessors. Dale: re: "On the reticulated parts, are the closed parts square or slightly beveled?" If I understand the question, I believe they are not beveled. The reticulated part looks stamped out. And here is a close up of the hinge. I showed an earlier picture of the wing nut because I thought I had read somewhere that it might be relevant to the age of the piece. Hoping for your comments and thank you! IP: Logged |
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