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Irishdude
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iconnumber posted 09-02-2003 02:10 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hello to all,

I'm a newbie at this silver thing.

Will anyone help ID this ladle's maker?

Thanks in advance.


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WGS

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iconnumber posted 09-02-2003 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WGS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
definitely silverplate by International Silver Company.

I can't read the last digit of the year, but the Mayflower A pattern of 1901 is similar.

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iconnumber posted 09-02-2003 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflywink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Irishdude,

Your ladle was made by the American Silver Co. of Bristol, Conn. (1901-35). International purchased the company in 1935. I've only seen silver plate pieces by this maker, not sure they ever did sterling.

Cheryl

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iconnumber posted 09-02-2003 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anuh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A picture of the pattern would be nice, as it would help with identification. I don't believe it is 1901 Mayflower, although both have a beaded edge. In fact, from the shape at the mark, I suspect it is the 1901 Tours pattern.

If this were Sterling, it would be so marked, so can be assumed to be plate. The 9 is a standard marking for triple plate of dessert spoons and forks (Rainwater and Redfield) and would also indicate that this is silverplate. Triple plate uses 6 troy oz. of silver per gross of pieces in the plating process and is a very quality grade.

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Irishdude
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iconnumber posted 09-03-2003 04:48 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks everyone.

I believe I can accommodate that request for a image of the pattern:

Thanks again!

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dragonflywink

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iconnumber posted 09-03-2003 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflywink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi there,

Definitely American Silver's "Tours", which Turner shows as a 1904 pattern.

Also, I believe the number shown should be a "6" rather than a "9", since the maker's mark is a globe supported by flatware.

I find the numbers on silver plate confusing - dessert spoons and forks with a "6" are double plate, but tea spoons are triple plate?

Where do ladles and other serving pieces fit in?

Cheryl wink

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Anuh

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iconnumber posted 09-03-2003 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anuh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't have Turner. What is the title name, Cheryl? I work mostly from Hagen and from matching sites wink

You are right that the number COULD be 6, however, I've seen pieces marked in so many different directions that I tend to read it as it hits my eye - which may be backwards.

Thanks for the addition information on the pattern date. I'm not sure anyone knows some of this stuff for sure!

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Paul Lemieux

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iconnumber posted 09-03-2003 10:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul Lemieux     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Noel Turner, American Silver Flatware 1837-1910. About $125 new (reprint). I paid $95 for a used first edition. They can be found here and there.

It looks like the patent date does say 1904, just with a poorly stamped 4.

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iconnumber posted 09-04-2003 10:16 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Once again, Thanks everyone SO MUCH for your help! You've all been really great.

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Paul Lemieux

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iconnumber posted 09-04-2003 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul Lemieux     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
I'm a newbie at this silver thing.

Are you planning on becoming a collector or silver dealer? Or did you just happen to acquire this one piece somehow?

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