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tmockait

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iconnumber posted 03-27-2005 02:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I thought soldering was means of joining metal, so I am puzzled by a small cup I have made by the International Silver Company and labeled "2 oz.," which I take to indicate the amount of silver solder it contains. What does "silver solder" mean?

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Arg(um)entum

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iconnumber posted 03-27-2005 08:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Arg(um)entum     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
2 oz of silver solder seems a lot. What would be your estimate of the holding capacity of your cup?

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agleopar

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iconnumber posted 03-27-2005 09:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for agleopar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tom, I am guessing that there is a handle and/or a decorative wire on the rim or base. "silver soldered" (hard solder) would mean that the cup is silver plate and high temp silver solder was used to put those on. This is instead of "soft " solder (lead, low temp) which is not as strong and was easier/cheaper to do and thus an inferior product.

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Brent

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iconnumber posted 03-27-2005 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
2 oz. is almost certainly the capacity of the vessel; it doesn't have anything to do with the Silver Soldered mark.

agleopar is correct in what the term SHOULD mean, but I have found in practice that the term was more a marketing device. Old Tiffany and Gorham silverplate, as well as other manufacturer's "heavy duty" wares (i.e. hotel and restaurant ware), were often marked "Silver Soldered", even if the piece required no solder in its manufacture. It just sounded better than "silverplated".

I would imagine that your cup is a piece of International's hotel ware. If it has a name on the bottom or side, that should tell you the institution it came from. There are "unmarked" pieces around, including unused old stock, but most pieces were marked by the institution that owned them.

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tmockait

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iconnumber posted 03-27-2005 10:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks. I posted the query at 3:00 a.m. after getting ready for Easter guests, so I was too brain dead to post photos. I have added the images to the first post.

I think all of you are right. It is a 2oz silver baby cup, from the looks of it. The handle does appear to be soldered, and the silver is worn through in places, so it is probably plate. It is not a hotel piece though. In case you cannot read the marks they are "Sheffield Reproduction." The letter are DSP(?). I cannot make out the symbols.

Any ideas as to who, what, when, and where?

Thanks and Happy Easter/Passover,
Tom

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