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seaduck

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iconnumber posted 03-23-2016 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for seaduck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm a little out of my element here, and hoping you can help with any thoughts on a Gorham piece. I've tried Carpenter and the usual online mark resources but seem to have struck out.

I've attached a photo of the marks in question, sent to me by a curator friend. He hopes to pin down the date when the piece was made. It's a silverplate cocktail shaker presentation piece; the form dates to the 1920s, he says. The engraving suggests that it was given in 1936, but he's found some discrepancies that suggest it may have been given later to mark the earlier event.

I can't find any marks that resemble the four in the cartouches. The form of the cartouches suggests 1960s, I believe -- except we know it's at least two or three decades older than that. Any clues would be most welcome!


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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 03-23-2016 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does the item have any other marks ... perhaps the Gorham date mark?

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seaduck

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iconnumber posted 03-23-2016 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for seaduck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I don't think so. I believe this image captures it all.

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seaduck

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iconnumber posted 03-24-2016 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for seaduck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK, now I feel like an idiot.

As I just looked at this photo again at a different zoom level, I realized that the four characters in cartouches are highly stylized versions of EPNS.

Some minor digging has revealed that Gorham did not issue date marks from 1934 --1940. (1933 and 1941 had marks.)

The Y538 is a product code -- doing a search on that shows a number of cocktail shakers.

I am still not sure what the 24 would mean.

And I am curious about this mark for "Gorham" in the lozenge. I haven't found anything matching that and wonder if it might give a clue as to date.

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 03-24-2016 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rainwater shows this mark as well as others marks for silver plated items. No dates are shown for any of the marks.

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 03-28-2016 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is a collection of Gorham EP marks and date marks. I don't know if this will help but it might make for some interesting discussion.

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seaduck

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iconnumber posted 03-28-2016 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for seaduck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks to you both! Not sure it helps in this case, but it's interesting to see "Gorham" in an oblong from an earlier period. And interesting to see how much they messed around with their marks! From a pure graphic design POV, they were all over the place..........

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 03-28-2016 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I did not realize the Gorham used dates marks on both sterling and plate.
An Internet search indicated that Gorham ceased using a date mark during 1933 and started again in 1941. The monogram date of 1936 for your friends silver may be close to the manufacturing date as it falls within this window.

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iconnumber posted 04-03-2016 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for seaduck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, ahwt. Since I posted this, my curator friend has resolved the apparent discrepancies that sparked this question. Armed with this info, he is now comfy with this dating for his purposes.

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