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ladybug44

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iconnumber posted 11-06-2007 08:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ladybug44     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I will probably be posting lots of these in the next few days because I don't know a thing about silver. Hope I don't wear out my welcome! Can you help me with maker and pattern for this one? Also what kind of fork is it? Thank you again!

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ladybug44

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iconnumber posted 11-06-2007 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ladybug44     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have inherited a lot of silver flatware recently. I don't know much about patterns so that's why I'm asking for help.

Thank you.

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 11-26-2015 11:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
maker:
    American Silver Co.
    Bristol, Connecticut
    1901 - 1935

    Manufacturers of silverplate & sterling flatware and holloware. Succeeded Holmes & Tuttle in 1901 and were acquired by International Silver in 1935.

    International likely continued using this mark for some period.

Silver plate pattern

    1906
    Pattern name: Moselle
    Designer: Samuel J. Large

With the cutting tine and its apparent weight it is most likely a pickle fork.

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agphile

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iconnumber posted 11-26-2015 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for agphile     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In the UK we would think of one like this as a pastry fork (or cake fork).

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Kimo

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It is a lovely pattern. As Scott mentions, it is not silver, it is silver plated.

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 11-27-2015 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When pickle fork sales started to decline the manufacturers re-introduced the same shaped fork (wide tine). But the new, cake or pastry fork, didn't have the beveled edge on the cutting tine and it was lighter in weight.


In the photo it sort of looks like it has the beveled edge.. therefor pickle fork.

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Polly

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iconnumber posted 11-27-2015 10:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I really like that pattern. Most similar patterns have flowers--the grapes are very appealing.

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agphile

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iconnumber posted 11-27-2015 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for agphile     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting about the pickle fork/cake fork. Maybe I have been misidentifying some Victorian pieces. I tend to think of an English pickle fork as having a long handle and short, barbed tines. I can't provide a photo to show what I mean because I don't own one: I find them pretty useless when trying to spear a pickled onion and remove it from its jar and I'm not sure what other use they might have.

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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 11-27-2015 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Agphile.

I believe that the long handled fork with small tines or even barbed tines on the end usually is called an olive fork since it would have been used to spear olives or onions or even cherries from tall narrow jars.

That said, as was mentioned as tastes in silverware changed and needs changed the makers did one of two things - they made up another shape or they renamed an older less well selling shape. I think that the old pickle fork was repurposed into being the new cake fork. Or sometimes I also see these called a salad fork where the bladed tine is used for cutting the salad into bite sized pieces.

[This message has been edited by Kimo (edited 11-27-2015).]

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doc

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Moselle is one of my favorite patterns; there were a number of grape design patterns that date from 1904-1910, but Moselle is the nicest, in my opinion.

I learn something every time I read this site; I did not know of the change from pickle fork to cake fork and I, too, have been misidentifying pieces. Thanks all!

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park1226

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The key to identifying this Moselle fork is the length. The Collectors' Handbook for Grape Nuts published in 1971 shows two identical forks with broad left cutting tines. Their length is the only variable that differs. There is the pickle fork that is 6" long and noted as being extremely rare. Its original catalog number was #246. A pastry fork is also shown and it is 7"long. No catalog number is given. This handbook was published pre-internet so the term extremely rare may no longer apply. How long is your fork?

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ahwt

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Park, thanks for the reference to the book "Handbook for Grape Nuts". Ms MacLachlan, in the section on Vintage, uses "HH" as an identification to several items in this pattern. Do you know what HH means?
This little book is readily available on the Internet and looks like a fun book. I don't think I have any of the Vintage pattern, but I do have some of the Moselle pattern.
The silverplate flatware of the late 1800s and early 1900s includes many interesting patterns.

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park1226

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iconnumber posted 12-04-2015 07:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for park1226     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HH is an abbreviation for hollow handled. Knives were available as either flat or hollow handled. Certain serving pieces also were available with hollow handles for an extra charge.

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 12-04-2015 08:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the information Park.

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