posted 07-21-2007 01:33 PM            

I collect a lot of vintage kitchenware, including silver and silver plate items.

My kitchen is my favorite place in the house.

I like knowing the history behind everything I have- old coffee grinders, utensils, china, glassware, etc. some items I've received from my grandparents/great grandparents and other family members these mean the most.

These marks are on a small chocolate? pot and creamer with a raised design of fruits and nuts -They have wooden handles, and I display them with a tea set my mother gave me.

Can anyone tell me if these are American marks and what they mean? I've been researching for a few months with no luck!

Thanks!!

posted 08-06-2007 10:27 AM            

It's difficult to see some of the marks. I can make out a G and a lion passant (I think), can you read the other marks for us, is there a CE, an anchor? They look like they may be European marks to me.

Lovely set by the way.

Jersey

posted 08-06-2007 07:54 PM            

The larger pot (chocolate?) has a C/E (but very close together) then the lion, and then a large R.

The smaller pot has an anchor (though in some light it looks like it could be a funny looking P -Then a large G -Then depending on how you look at it an X or a Victoria or Gothic type cross (4 triangles meeting at a center point.

Don't know if that helps at all, but I really appreciate your time!

Thanks,
Denise

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posted 09-23-2007 06:27 AM            

Any ideas?

Thanks!
Denise

posted 09-23-2007 10:27 AM            

If you can add photos, I would suggest the top and finial, the spout and its attachment, the handle and attachment, and a couple of details of the decoration. Ideal size would be 490 pixels wide at 72 dpi, so the detail can be better seen.

It's entirely possible that even then not much can be said; much of the plated work of the world is poorly documented. But that'll give the best chance. It's an interesting looking set, in any case.

posted 09-24-2007 03:40 PM            

Sorry, I didn't get a chance to check e-mail until today. Do you still need additional pics?

Wish I could figure out these pots!

Thanks to all for all your help!
Denise

posted 09-24-2007 04:35 PM            

I think if it's possible at your site to make closer photo's of the silver marks. I was surprised that it succeed.

There is a interesting reaction from FWG and perhaps when the photo's of the marks are bigger/sharper I hope they will be recognized.

Success with the solution,
silverhunter.

posted 09-24-2007 07:09 PM            

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Originally posted by FWG:
Might it be possible to post a few larger photos showing details of the construction and decoration? From what I can see, the pieces themselves look more like continental European than American, while the marks look more like American fantasy pseudohallmarks. They're not marks I recognize. The shape at the top and a few other details even make me think of Middle-eastern forms.

If you can add photos, I would suggest the top and finial, the spout and its attachment, the handle and attachment, and a couple of details of the decoration. Ideal size would be 490 to 640 pixels wide at 72 dpi, so the detail can be better seen.

It's entirely possible that even then not much can be said; much of the plated work of the world is poorly documented. But that will give the best chance. It's an interesting looking set, in any case.

One possibility is that it's a set for serving cafe con leche. Those usually have either straight-set handles and spouts or mirrored forms (because you pour from both hands), but for that you pour from one pot of steamed milk and another of extremely strong coffee. Strictly speaking, as I understand it, a chocolate pot should have a hole in the top for the molinillo, the beater to make it frothy. I don't know what the English term for this is, but I have read and been told that that's what really distinguishes a chocolate pot.

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Hi FWG!

Until Silverhunter mentioned your post, I had missed it. I thought it was his post. Tired tonight, I guess. Hope these pictures help.

Thanks so much for looking, and helping me.
Denise

posted 09-26-2007 12:24 PM            

When I have seen pieces of silverplate with hand repousee they have usually been examples of later plating. Pieces began their career as extremely well done pieces of copper, with coppersmith marks. Copper items will have a separate bottom, silverplate ones very rarely do. It is also uncommon for silverplated pots to have a seam running the heighth of the piece, as yours does. One test for plate is that a plated pot will be thicker than a sterling or copper one. Are the walls here fairly thin?

Silverplated ware is an industrial product; copper frequently is made by a smith. And at some point copper pieces can be platede. This can be long after the piece is made.

posted 09-28-2007 02:55 AM            

Success.

posted 09-28-2007 03:09 AM            

It's also possible they are perhaps not made in Edinburgh but I only recognize the letter type. I hope there will come more reactions to give the final solution.