posted 09-01-2007 09:13 AM            

At first this new topic counts for the rest of September etc. I've to learn waiting for a answers, meanwhile I'm curious about this one. I will explain why I placed this object. It's looks like silver but it will be pewter (I think) in combination with another material. This one gave a lot of black dirt with cleaning. Normally pewter objects are beautiful when they are dark/grey, this one was very light of color. I hope it is produced somewhere in Great Britain, because I've never saw such strange marks. In Holland often the marks are with an angel and sometimes in combination with the initials of the smith and sometimes with a city mark.

The mark with the standing dog/fox? in combination with the letters V and B are engraved by hand. The strange mark with a snake motif? is stamped in the center of the bottom. I've never saw these marks in Holland. (Perhaps I'm wrong). Perhaps someone recognize the model (it's 5 inch high and I hope this one is a old pattern included with the two stamps somebody can give a reaction.

Thank you so much,
silverhunter!

posted 09-12-2007 12:17 PM            

The first is a photo (like comparing) at the left side with a 17th century bronze candle stick and at the right side is the one I asked about. I found it the same shape so I'm interested if this is also a old candlestick? I'm not a expert! For instance did they made the same pattern in silver, these period? If this one is not original old (but a imitation) I hope somebody can inform me about that.

The stamps I haven't found myself yet, so I hope somebody recognize these one's.

The second photo is sharper than the one I send before, perhaps it's helps?
So this reaction is to complete the information.

Thanks a lot silverhunter.

Two photo's:

posted 09-12-2007 05:18 PM            

Silver plate marks have not been documented as well as silver marks. I think part of the reason is there has been little control in most countries on what a company can use, so long as it is not the same as an official silver mark. A company can make up any kind of marking they think will be attractive and cause a person to want to buy their silver plated objects. Another reason is that silver collectors seem to be more numerous than silver plate collectors and so more effort has gone into studying silver marks.

posted 09-13-2007 03:35 AM            

Thank you a lot for your reaction, it's a long clear version with a lot of interesting details. It's very difficult there are made so many stamps and not all of them are registered. Perhaps I bring this candlestick for let it check by material. I don't know for sure but I think it isn't silver plated, perhaps bronze or it's pewter mixed with another material.I have a few pewter things at this side. It's also a matter of the budget at this side and most of the things are silver plated or sometimes EP. Sometimes I think I'm walking in a museum when I see other silver objects showed at this forum, there are a lot of beautiful one's. The objects I've asked in other topics are explained and it's nice to know that slowly foreign silver, like from Germany, France, England,(and of course Norsk sølv bestikk) is a part of my little collection. Meanwhile I've bought one little book and also a CD with a lot of information about silver. Tardy is recommended but nice for birthday present. The knowledge is slowly growing. The most direct way to learn about silver is also to read the answers of the topics at this forum.

There are a lot of different silver materials showing in these topics with reactions (a few thousands) so there is a lot of time invested in all the answers that's for sure!
I follow the other topics.

Kimo, also thanks for you reaction for the topic about the ash-tray.

Greetings and all the best,
Silverhunter!

posted 09-13-2007 04:49 PM            

Thanks for advise and explaining about chemical tests, with using acids etc. It's better when I stay out of it. A few time ago there was a topic with the subject goblet, I hope you remember it. You mentioned the real name for the object "goblet".) I didn't knew which material this goblet was made, so I brought it to the local jewelery shop, the next day he told me it was formerly silvered , the silver was polished from it and into the engraving lines only rested a little silver, but the material the goblet was made by copper. With polishing silver I've just to care about polishing thin silver plated objects, sometimes they used such a low silver percentage that the silver colour shine disappeared and I recognize for instance the copper,down under. I've just polished the silver objects with a polish cloth that's I think good enough.

Is it better to use a polish cream with gives a protection layer?
Considering the non destructive test I will look for by using the search function.

I've looked there before considering objects I wanted to find information about.

So I have to do some things, visiting the jewelery shop maybe tomorrow. For the research considering the goblet the owner didn't asked for a research amount, so I gave a apple tart for the service they gave.

Considering the journalist from the other topic he for instance can write a article about Piet Hein(Dutch famous admiral by sea) he stool a lot of silver in the 17th century from a Spanish fleet. In Holland they made a song about him, they still sing this song when the national team is winning with a (football, soccer) game. The last years they mostly ended at the second place, so they get SILVER. (to stay with the subject on this forum).

posted 09-14-2007 06:06 PM            

With cleaning the candlestick it was about the same reaction like polishing silver,just black durt came off.

If it's not a old one I like the pattern very much and someday perhaps I know the storie behind it, but I'm helped with all'
information.

posted 09-16-2007 05:23 AM            

Greetings Silverhunter.