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martyup

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iconnumber posted 10-20-2012 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for martyup     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We have a tea service that was given to a relative in 1858 by his community (township of West Gwillimbury) in Ontario Canada. The marks on the bottom have a small unrecognizable image stamp above a "VR" which is above "Superior Electro Plate" which is above "1651" which is above a number "5" which is above an "H" This set was re-plated in the early 1970s in the Vancouver, BC area. We would love to identify the maker.

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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 10-20-2012 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello.
Welcome to the silver forum. Would you please add just a bit more information on your interest in finding out more about your plated tea service - are you planning to sell it or are you collectors of such things or are you just enjoying using it as an heirloom?

Also, and most importantly, verbal descriptions are almost impossible to identify as there are so many different markings on both silver and especially silver plated base metal such as your service. Please take some nice well lit, sharp photos of the overall items in your tea service and then some extra close-ups of the markings on them. Please read the how to post photos section by clicking on the how to post photos hotlink in the big yellow box at the top of the page that says "Please Read Before You Post" in flashing red letters.

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Kimo
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jetta1

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iconnumber posted 10-21-2012 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jetta1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In 2002 there was a similar discussion on this list. See: electo plate 1849 tea/coffee pot"

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martyup

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iconnumber posted 10-23-2012 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for martyup     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[QUOTE]Originally posted by jetta1:
[B]In 2002 there was a similar discussion on this list. See: electo plate 1849 tea/coffee pot"

I saw that, however I am not allowed to post to that thread.

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martyup

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iconnumber posted 10-23-2012 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for martyup     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This tea set is a part of our family history. At this point, we just want to identify the maker so we have a more complete history. It was given to my wife's great great great grandfather. The inscription on the platter reads:

"William Armson, Esq.

For seventeen years, from 1841 to 1857, inclusive Reeve of the township of West Gwillimbury and for eight consecutive years from 1846 to 1853 inclusive Warden of the County of Simcoe, this tea service is presented by the inhabitants of the above named township and of the village of Bradford, therein as a token of their appreciation of his long continued and faithful performance of his public duties.

West Gwillimbury C.W. March 1858"

In addition to this inscription, each of the other pieces have his initials "WA" inscribed on the side in large fancy script.

We tried to photograph the marks, but they were too faint. However, the description is accurate. in addition, there are ceramic rings on the handles of the teapots near where they attach to the pot. Here are photos of the set:

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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 10-24-2012 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unlike solid silver wares, silver plated wares generally have no marking requirements and it is up to the whim of the factory to come up with a marking that they think will help them best in their marketing.

The marking that you cannot read above the VR would be a crown. Perhaps when someone in your family had your tea service replated the plater went a little far and it the crown marking might have been filled in during the process?

The numbers and letter are just pattern numbers used by the factory and the retailers for easy tracking of stock. It is much easier to refer to a number to identify the exact model of an item than to try to describe it with words.

The VR marking and the obscured crown are thought by most people to be a reference to Victoria Regina who was the monarch at that point in history. It does not mean that it was made for her or her household, it is just a marketing trick to give the impression of quality to potential buyers so they will be more likely to buy it.

While I have seen many examples of holloware with this marking (they come up on the big internet auction site and elsewhere regularly) I have never seen a certain attribution of the maker. The one attribution I have seen most often and makes sense is the name of the company that produced these was the Superior Electro Plate Company, but that is only a guess and hopefully someone here who knows more about this than I do will know for sure.

My guess as to where it was made is in the UK. I have seen these coming not only from Canada but also from other Commonwealth countries which leads me to think that the most reasonable alternative is they were made in the UK somewhere and exported to the commonwealth countries during the 1800s. This is only a guess though.

The white 'ceramic' rings on the handles are actually made of bone (likely cow bone). It was a much less costly material and widely available in quantity. Ceramic would have been a little brittle for this heavy use application. The purpose of the rings is to insulate the handle. Boiling hot water in the pot would rapidly heat not only the body of the pot but also the handle to the point where you could burn your hand so they used bone (or sometimes blackened wood) rings to insulate the handles from the rest of the metal of the pots.

Your 5 piece coffee and tea service is a basic one and the set that most people have. Often, though, you find 6 or more piece services. Typically the 6th piece would be a waste bowl. Additional pieces on more elaborate services can be things like a hot chocolate pot, a spooner, etc. Is there any chance your sevice has additional pieces tucked away somewhere in the attic or with another family members that could be brought out to fill out your service?

I hope that you and your family use your coffee/tea service regularly. That is what these are for and your special family connection with the dedication engraved on this set make it extra special to your family.

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martyup

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iconnumber posted 10-29-2012 06:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for martyup     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kimo, thank you for your information. Do you think the "H" has any significance?

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martyup

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iconnumber posted 10-29-2012 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for martyup     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Would there be any value to this tea service?

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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 10-29-2012 08:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The H is likely another manufacturer's code for their internal use.

I'm sorry but I cannot give you a value for this set since this website is limited to discussions among people who enjoy silver and talking about it. The best I can say is that tea sets are very common since almost every household had at least one of them and most were not thrown away. Today, very few people actually use tea sets which I think is a shame but the result is there is almost no demand for them. Since it is silver plated rather than silver there is little intrinsic value. And it is not a pattern that is currently popular in the way that art deco, arts and crafts, or art nouveau are. On the other hand, because of the engraving to your ancestor it is priceless to your family and I hope you use it regularly, especially when you are hosting your family during the holidays. Many people wish they could have something as meaningful to their own families.

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