Help me identify Portuguese Silversmiths

SM Publications

Silver Salon Forums - The premier site for discussing Silver.

SMP | Silver Salon Forums | SSF - Guidelines | SSF - FAQ | Silver Sales

Welcome to the Silver Salon Forums !
Since 1993
Over 11,793 threads & 64,769 posts !!

New members' post here Forum

The Silver Salon Forums are open to anyone with an interest in silver and a willingness to share. Know little or nothing about silver? Don't worry! Anyone with a genuine desire to explore the subject of silver and related metal crafts is welcome.

To successfully join in,
you must know the following !!
click here

Favorites:^(9/09/07) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11

REGISTER (click here)

How to Post Photos

SMP Silver Salon Forums
tline

New members post here
tline3

Help me identify Portuguese Silversmiths

profile | register | preferences | faq | search

SSFFriend: Email This Page to Someone!

next newest topic | next oldest topic

Author	Topic: Help me identify Portuguese Silversmiths
kbn023 Posts: 9 Registered: Dec 2013	posted 12-03-2013 02:38 AM Hello, I'm mostly interested in European silver pre 1850. One reason for my interest in silver is that it has stamps which makes it possible to track where it comes from and who made it. It's the detective work that I love. Some times I don't find what I'm looking for and these times I will post here so - hopefully - someone can help me out. I recently bought two candle holders from a big auction house in Sweden. They where listed as "European, 19th Century, unclear hallmarks". Actually, the stamps where not bad at all. It's obviously a crowned letter "L" for Lisbon. On one of the candle holders, the stamp is from late 1804 and on the other from 1805. They are also made by different masters. One is marked CIS or maybe CLS, the other IIR. I would be very grateful if someone could help me identify the masters. Photos attached: [Why are you researching this? IP: Logged
Kimo Posts: 1627 Registered: Mar 2003	posted 12-03-2013 01:59 PM Hi kbn023. The first thing you need to do is follow the guidelines in the yellow box above. Among other things they ask every new member here to: quote: Please introduce yourself • Tell everyone about yourself, your interests in silver, • And why you are posting. We're not being snoopy; knowing will help us help you and to welcome you to our small community. On the why you are posting part, are inquiring because you are planning to sell the object at some point in the forseeable future or are you a collector of silver and simply want to learn more? On your photos, in addition to making sure they are no more than 640 pixels wide and are not links that send people to other websites, it really is important to have not only the closeups of the markings, but also overall photos from a couple of angles since markings can (and sometimes are) be added after the fact to pieces of silver. We look forward to your participation with us on this great forum. Kimo Contributing Editor IP: Logged
kbn023 Posts: 9 Registered: Dec 2013	posted 12-03-2013 04:34 PM Here is a picture of the Candle holders: IP: Logged
Hose_dk Posts: 400 Registered: May 2008	posted 12-05-2013 01:00 AM Very buatiful pair. These Empire style candles could be from a number of countries. The term "unclear hallmarks" Means that they not identified, not nessasary that they are unclear. I would guess that they are german. (Northern germany) I have not found a Danish match, Swedish they are not, so I would go a bit South to germany. But a guess. [This message has been edited by Hose_dk (edited 12-05-2013).] IP: Logged
kbn023 Posts: 9 Registered: Dec 2013	posted 12-05-2013 01:30 AM I'm 100 % sure they are Portuguese. The marks are not that unclear and I've found some identical pairs on a Portugese auction site. IP: Logged
kbn023 Posts: 9 Registered: Dec 2013	posted 12-07-2013 01:45 PM I asked a Portuguese auction house and got the answer! CIS is Camilo José dos Santos (1770-1822) and IIR is Joaquim José Rodrigues (1792-1826). IP: Logged

All times are ET	next newest topic \| next oldest topic
Administrative Options: Close Topic \| Archive/Move \| Delete Topic
	Hop to:

Ultimate Bulletin Board 5.46a

^1. Public Silver Forums (open Free membership) - anyone with a valid e-mail address may register. Once you have received your Silver Salon Forum password, and then if you abide by the Silver Salon Forum Guidelines, you may start a thread or post a reply in the New Members' Forum. New Members who show a continued willingness to participate, to completely read and abide by the Guidelines will be allowed to post to the Member Public Forums.
Click here to Register for a Free password

^2. Private Silver Salon Forums (invitational or $ donation membership) - The Private Silver Salon Forums require registration and special authorization to view, search, start a thread or to post a reply. Special authorization can be obtained in one of several ways: by Invitation; Annual $ Donation; or via Special Limited Membership. For more details click here (under development).

^3. Administrative/Special Private Forums (special membership required) - These forums are reserved for special subjects or administrative discussion. These forums are not open to the public and require special authorization to view or post.

| Home | Order | The Guide to Evaluating Gold & Silver Objects | The Book of Silver