SMP Logo
SM Publications
Silver Salon Forums - The premier site for discussing Silver.
SMP | Silver Salon Forums | SSF - Guidelines | SSF - FAQ | Silver Sales


Welcome to the Silver Salon Forums !
Since 1993
Over 11,793 threads & 64,769 posts !!

New members' post here Forum

The Silver Salon Forums are open to anyone with an interest in silver and a willingness to share. Know little or nothing about silver? Don't worry! Anyone with a genuine desire to explore the subject of silver and related metal crafts is welcome.



Favorites: (9/09/07) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11


REGISTER (click here) How to Post Photos


customtitle open  SMP Silver Salon Forums
tlineopen  New members post here
tline3open  Interest in digital library of silver reference books

Post New Topic  Post A Reply
profile | register | preferences | faq | search

ForumFriend SSFFriend: Email This Page to Someone! next newest topic | next oldest topic
Author Topic:   Interest in digital library of silver reference books
silverlibrarian

Posts: 8
Registered: Jan 2014

iconnumber posted 01-17-2014 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverlibrarian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello all,
I am trying to gauge potential interest that silver collectors or anyone interested in silver might have in the establishment of a digital silver reference library. My employer has an extensive collection of books (some dating back to the mid-1700s), trade/exhibition catalogues, and other material related to silver. The collection features works by notable writers such as E. A. Jones, John Culme, Arthur Grimwade, and many more. Many items are limited editions or extremely rare/unique publications. At present the collection includes some 1500-2000 titles, with the possibility of other reference collections being acquired. It is our hope to scan these materials into an online digital library and charge a small subscription fee to access the library or fee for each download. Is this something that you would be interested in seeing happen? Any suggestions?

IP: Logged

silberpunze

Posts: 101
Registered: Nov 2009

iconnumber posted 01-17-2014 07:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silberpunze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hallo silverlibrarian,
I make a referencebook of old silver from Germany before 1888.

I am more interested on citizen-books or old german address books or Church records.

IP: Logged

silverlibrarian

Posts: 8
Registered: Jan 2014

iconnumber posted 01-17-2014 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverlibrarian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So your interest in a library comprised solely of books related to silver would be fairly limited then? We do have many German titles in the collection (and many more works on European silver):

Das Ornamentwerk des Daniel Marot
Die Kunst der Augsburger Goldchmiede 1529- 1868
Goldschmiede Rheinland Westfalens
Goldschmiede Mittel-und Nordost Deutschands
Goldschmiede Hessens
Goldschmiede Niedersachsens
Goldschmiede an Main Und Neckar
Goldschmiede des Ostallgaus (zwischen Iller und Lech)
Nurnberger Goldschmiedekunst 1240-1540
Berliner Goldschmiede
Der Goldschmiede Merkzeichen
German Domestic Silver of the Eighteenth Century
Bestecke Fur Die Wiener Werstatte

I don't know if any of these would be of interest to you? I'm sorry that we don't offer anything in the way of church records, addresses, etc.

IP: Logged

Scott Martin
Forum Master

Posts: 11520
Registered: Apr 93

iconnumber posted 01-17-2014 10:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome to the Silver Salon Forums.
    "Is this something that you would be interested in seeing happen?"

Yes, but ...

I don't have the time right now to craft a full response.

At this moment in time the continuum of collecting and researching silver finds the tides receding. Much of the best scholarship in silver is done by a diminishing few. Many of these scholars can ill afford the lofty internet prices so there is a lot of sideline scholarship happening. A digital library of obscure and hard to find silver references would be a boon to silver scholars everywhere but it would have to be an altruistic project.

Over the decades we haven't figured out how to cover our Silver Salon expenses and I am guessing a digital Silver library would require a major benefactor. Even with a nominal access fee I am sure the out of pocket will never be covered.

BTAIM, I am hopeful that other members will have some good suggestions and more positive comments.

IP: Logged

silberpunze

Posts: 101
Registered: Nov 2009

iconnumber posted 01-18-2014 08:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for silberpunze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Scott,
yeah right - you can earn money so hardly. It takes a lot of fanaticism, love of silver and Altroismus to to take on such a task.
I myself am doing my project because nobody else does, but it is necessary, as every year tons of old silver lost forever and I try as much as possible to document it and to save a bit here and there.

about the silverlibrarian I am interested on this books, but I think, there are
Nurnberger Goldschmiedekunst 1240-1540
Die Kunst der Augsburger Goldchmiede 1529- 1868
German Domestic Silver of the Eighteenth Century

I think it would be because of copyright problems.
Parts of Scheffler can be found already in the network (google books) and the Rosenberg Heidelberg University digitized and offers uhn for download
One also finds the writings of E.Hintze about Silesian silver and Breslauer silver as well as the old Zinnmarken. However, my research begins at the point where the classical literature ceases. So I'm trying with the available data itself to generate master lists, because in Germany many smaller cities are still completely unexplored, other cities are explored very sketchy or are only a few silver objects known.

[This message has been edited by silberpunze (edited 01-18-2014).]

IP: Logged

silverlibrarian

Posts: 8
Registered: Jan 2014

iconnumber posted 01-18-2014 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverlibrarian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you both for the input. Yes, funding will be difficult to come by and there are copyright issues to consider before we can proceed. Hopefully some insitutions with an interest in this subject area such as museums may be able to provide some form of support, or research partnerships with various universities may be possible. But I think you are correct to say that this would have to be a largely altruistic venture.

IP: Logged

silberpunze

Posts: 101
Registered: Nov 2009

iconnumber posted 01-18-2014 09:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silberpunze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
silverlibrarian:
Perhaps it is not necessary to scan all the books themselves. After all, there are some of the works already scanned in the net, while nevertheless are excerpts from the Scheffler books that make up almost half of the plants. The books by Hintze, you can download it and the Rosenberg also. There are also some attempts of online reference works, such as silver tin.
Provide such a link collection would be a start, but it will probably pay no money.
Man needs to just know that the interest is very low. So I suspect that it is only about 1000-5000 people in Germany who are interested in this subject.

[This message has been edited by silberpunze (edited 01-18-2014).]

IP: Logged

wev
Moderator

Posts: 4121
Registered: Apr 99

iconnumber posted 01-18-2014 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
So I suspect that it is only about 1000-5000 people in Germany who are interested in this subject.

I would be shocked if there were a tenth of that here (US) with any interest. My little project gets a fair amount of traffic and I am willing to bet that less than 5% are not there for the pure genealogy or making sales on ebay or whatever other sale venue they use. If I charged admission for what I have gathered, I'd have few visitor at all. If not free, it is a fool's errand, I am afraid.

[This message has been edited by wev (edited 01-18-2014).]

IP: Logged

wev
Moderator

Posts: 4121
Registered: Apr 99

iconnumber posted 01-18-2014 11:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It should also be noted that real research viable transcriptions are not cheap -- 127 page book scanned and OCD'd with proof, correction, and web ready in a searchable format: 32 hours at $125 per -- how many books did you have?

IP: Logged

silverlibrarian

Posts: 8
Registered: Jan 2014

iconnumber posted 01-19-2014 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverlibrarian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Duly noted... we have at least 1500 books, possibly more. We may be partnering with a local university to take care of the scanning requirements, or possibly using an outside vendor, but there are cheaper options available. I know of at least three reputable companies that will scan a book with OCR to deliver a 300-600 dpi searchable PDF file for approx. $3/book + $0.10 per page. Still, it would not be cheap.

IP: Logged

chenet

Posts: 10
Registered: Nov 2013

iconnumber posted 01-26-2014 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chenet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am always looking for online resources.
Can anyone recommend a good book that would include comments on Hieronymous Mittnacht, from Augsberg, 18th century.
I have been looking, but not finding. Even the write ups from the good auction houses do not have much info and they seem to recycle the same sentences over and over.
It will be in German no doubt, since there is not anything I have found in English

IP: Logged

chenet

Posts: 10
Registered: Nov 2013

iconnumber posted 01-26-2014 09:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chenet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, I have another question about German silver. Has there been any work done on the silver boxes that housed some of the earlier Griesbaum bird boxes?
Now I do not have access to German reference books, however at least in English there is not any information at all.

IP: Logged

silverlibrarian

Posts: 8
Registered: Jan 2014

iconnumber posted 02-02-2014 09:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverlibrarian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry, not that I know of, but if I come across anything in our library I'll let you know

IP: Logged

silverlibrarian

Posts: 8
Registered: Jan 2014

iconnumber posted 02-02-2014 09:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverlibrarian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry, not that I know of, but if I come across anything in our library I'll let you know

IP: Logged

All times are ET

next newest topic | next oldest topic

Administrative Options: Close Topic | Archive/Move | Delete Topic
Post New Topic  Post A Reply
Hop to:


Ultimate Bulletin Board 5.46a


1. Public Silver Forums (open Free membership) - anyone with a valid e-mail address may register. Once you have received your Silver Salon Forum password, and then if you abide by the Silver Salon Forum Guidelines, you may start a thread or post a reply in the New Members' Forum. New Members who show a continued willingness to participate, to completely read and abide by the Guidelines will be allowed to post to the Member Public Forums.
Click here to Register for a Free password

2. Private Silver Salon Forums (invitational or $ donation membership) - The Private Silver Salon Forums require registration and special authorization to view, search, start a thread or to post a reply. Special authorization can be obtained in one of several ways: by Invitation; Annual $ Donation; or via Special Limited Membership. For more details click here (under development).

3. Administrative/Special Private Forums (special membership required) - These forums are reserved for special subjects or administrative discussion. These forums are not open to the public and require special authorization to view or post.


| Home | Order | The Guide to Evaluating Gold & Silver Objects | The Book of Silver
| Update BOS Registration | Silver Library | For Sale | Our Wants List | Silver Dealers | Speakers Bureau |
| Silversmiths | How to set a table | Shows | SMP | Silver News |
copyright © 1993 - 2022 SM Publications
All Rights Reserved.
Legal & Privacy Notices