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cardiffinian

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iconnumber posted 06-17-2014 03:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cardiffinian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi all.

I have a cigarette case that turned up in a bit of a horrible state. It had been used as a ash tray and had some rough treatment. It looks like silver and under the rim you can see some gold color. It has passed the magnet test but there are no hallmarks that can be seen anywhere. A good look seems to show some scratch writing on the edge of the case but is difficult to make out. As far as I can make some of it out it looks like, '189 72X | a '. There could well be other letters or numbers as well as can some of these numbers look like others at different angles. Any help or advice would be welcome




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agphile

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iconnumber posted 06-17-2014 05:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for agphile     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Afraid I can't offer much help. The scratched marks are probably stock numbers and/or a price code indicating that the case has been through the hands of a pawnbroker or second-hand dealer. They are not going to help identify the origin of the piece.

I am not the person to advise on testing for silver content. The specific gravity test requires the sort of scales I do not have. I strongly dislike the concept of the destructive acid test. And I suspect that assay by a professional would probably cost more than the case is worth.

Perhaps it is best just to enjoy having rescued an old object and perhaps consider whether you can give it a new use as a container for something other than cigarettes (though I confess I have yet to find a sensible use for the cigarette cases inherited from my father's generation).

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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 06-17-2014 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is hard to tell from the photos, but Agphile is of course correct that the scratched marks are of no use in telling what it is. I also very much agree that acid tests for silver are not very good both in that they are destructive and secondly they will only tell you what the metal is on the surface and not underneath unless you cut down into the metal which kind of defeats the whole purpose of saving something that is nice to behold or use. The specific gravity test that he mentions is not something most individuals normally have the equipment to conduct unless they are really into testing for silver content. There is another even more accurate way to determine metal content these days and that is to test it with x-ray fluorescence (XRF) metal analyzer. They are really expensive, so it would be easiest to find a jeweler or metals dealer who has one and have them test it.

The lack of any markings as to silver content or maker makes me think that it is most likely an inexpensive, non-silver case. Companies that made and sold these were very aware that customers would pay more for solid silver cases, and they were also aware of the makers. Marking such cases was very important to the manufacturer when they used solid silver and when the company was trying to promote their market presence. It is possible that it is unmarked solid silver, but it is not likely.

The four tabs on the edge of the inside would have been the attachment points for the metal or fabric straps that held the cigarettes into the case when it was opened. Better cigarette holders typically had metal straps.

My suggestion is to clean it up and repurpose it to something you find useful, and then enjoy using it. I think that it might make a nice holder for some photos of your family or other loved ones, a business card holder, money wallet, or something like that.

[This message has been edited by Kimo (edited 06-17-2014).]

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 06-17-2014 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps a new use...
Case for pocket go-between brushes:

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Polly

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iconnumber posted 06-17-2014 10:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They make good card cases for your business cards. Of course, card cases make even better card cases (if you can find one the right size).

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agphile

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iconnumber posted 06-24-2014 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for agphile     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cardiffinian

I have been meaning to come back with a PS on this topic. Sorry for the delay in so doing. I hope our failure to confirm your cigarette case as silver has not been too discouraging. As Kimo says, silver is normally appropriately marked for good reason and indeed in the UK and elsewhere it would be illegal to sell an item as silver unless it was properly marked. However, I thought it might be helpful to sketch out one set of circumstances under which unmarked silver might have found its way to the UK.

Cigarette cases generally date from the first half of the 20th century, a time when Britain still had an Empire (just) and many Brits worked in the colonies, dependencies or, indeed, other third world countries, some of which did not have a tradition of marking silver. An expat might well have bought an unmarked cigarette case from a local craftsman in the belief it was silver. Unless the craftsman was ripping the buyer off, it probably was – though not necessarily sterling standard. Pieces like this would in due course find their way back to the UK.

English cigarette cases are usually decorated, typically with engine-turned engraving. The plainness of yours might support the theory that it came from a less sophisticated workshop somewhere overseas though it doesn’t prove it to be silver.

By way of analogy, I have a pair of plain, unmarked gold cufflinks with such a history. At least they are gold coloured, don’t tarnish and the gold colour doesn’t wear off. They were inherited from an uncle who worked overseas between the two World Wars. I have never bothered to check that they really are gold because they make perfectly respectable cufflinks and they are certainly not big enough for their value as gold to have life-changing implications.

I fear this doesn’t take you any further. I am not trying to say that I think the case is silver but simply that I cannot rule this out.

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