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Stoystown Posts: 4 |
posted 05-13-2015 08:58 AM
  
Hi, This is my second post. I like to buy stuff at flea markets antique shops then research them. Here is napkin holder I believe is Scandinavian with fine wriggle work engraving. What my question is are the marks indicating purity "83" for 83% silver and "S" for Sterling. Or, Is the "S" a Swedish date mark for 1776? Is this napkin ring silver? Any information will be appreciated. Regards, Jeff IP: Logged |
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dragonflywink Posts: 993 |
posted 05-13-2015 02:16 PM
Not Scandinavian, looks to me like mid to late 19th century silverplate, most likely American... ~Cheryl IP: Logged |
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Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 05-13-2015 09:01 PM
I am with Cheryl on this being a Victorian era silver plate napkin ring. The 83 and S are likely some kind of model numbers from the factory that made these for their internal ordering and inventory control. IP: Logged |
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H Bradshaw Posts: 30 |
posted 05-13-2015 10:16 PM
I have several similar napkin rings with markings of 'S' or 'C', some with the Wood & Hughes logo. I've always assumed the C stood for Coin & S for Sterling. I've never had them tested but haven't seen any indication of plating. The silver plated ones that I usually find are unmarked. IP: Logged |
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Stoystown Posts: 4 |
posted 05-17-2015 07:41 AM
Hi, Scandinavian countries use "S" as part of thier purity mark such as "830 S". I have also seen " S 750" and "S 925". The wriggle work is too fine to be "factory" as well as the "S" being deeply incised beyond a layer of silver. It would not make sense for the silversmith to do extensive wriggle work, beading, that is not simplistic and therefore time consuming, then deeply incise the work with 83 then s. This would defeat the purpose of silver plate. Over 150 years the "S" would be comprimised by now with corrosion of the underlying metal. The wriggle work foliage in my mind depicts a unique/particular wildflower growing perhaps in a meadow. It is very "folkie" (Scandinavian) and the 5 pointed leaf is uncommon and could identify wildflowers country of origin. Most flower leaves are tear drop in shape. Why go to the trouble of creating the 5 pointed leaf in silver unless it has a particular reference? I would have to agree with H BRADSHAW that the S is for silver. Do you know the country of origin of the napkin rings you have with the "C" or "S" marks? Thank you for your thoughts. Regards, Jeff IP: Logged |
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H Bradshaw Posts: 30 |
posted 05-17-2015 01:54 PM
The ones I have (or have had as I've gifted most to my niece for her collection) are marked with the W&H logo, S or C, & another # which is perhaps a pattern or style #. So far as I know, Wood & Hughes only made solid silver items & some of their coin pieces have no purity mark. I would hazard a guess that 'S' & 'C' were used on small pieces during the transition period. To me, the engraving on this ring looks typical of late 19th c. American. The leaf is ivy. IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 05-17-2015 02:58 PM
Its easy to speculate. When the speculation is based on a narrow bit of experience and then to become convinced that the speculation is reasonable so therefor it must be fact. At one time or another we have all done this. And most often this leads to an about face when one comes to know more. Photos are not enough. For the more experienced members in this case to make a reasonable determination they would have to inspect the napkin ring in person. And the Internet hasn't a teleporter The napkin ring can be easily tested. There are invasive tests which require filing below the top layer and to use acids. This is not recommended. A noninvasive test to consider is the Specific Gravity Test. Whatever test is used, remember that for good test results it will require the tester to have experience and know how to use a standard to test the testing method. IP: Logged |
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Hose_dk Posts: 400 |
posted 06-26-2015 12:58 PM
Norway - if norway, then it would say 830 if silver. Speculation that 0 missing - no I dont accept that theory. Sorry. IP: Logged |
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