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EWG

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iconnumber posted 06-02-2015 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EWG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a pair of 12 1/2" long spoons with plain bowls, plain, flat, elongated teardrop-shaped handles, and twisted stems. One auction post referred to shorter spoons like these as Windsor pattern.

They are marked "VICTOR S CO 1/2" but the mark has been over stamped with a row of slightly smaller X's. I have seen references in this site and elsewhere to the link between Victor Silver Co. and Derby Silver Co., which was bought by International Silver in 1898.

Does the over stamping provide a clue to their date?

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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 06-03-2015 09:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi. Could you please add some photos to your posting? Both closeup of the markings as well as the overall front and back of your spoons. It is so hard to tell anything by just a description.

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EWG

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iconnumber posted 06-03-2015 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EWG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by EWG:
I have a pair of 12 1/2" long spoons with plain bowls, plain, flat, elongated teardrop-shaped handles, and twisted stems. One auction post referred to shorter spoons like these as Windsor pattern.

They are marked "VICTOR S CO 1/2" but the mark has been over stamped with a row of slightly smaller X's. I have seen references in this site and elsewhere to the link between Victor Silver Co. and Derby Silver Co., which was bought by International Silver in 1898.

Does the over stamping provide a clue to their date?



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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 06-03-2015 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The two things I can say with some certainty are that it is silver plated rather than sterling, and that it is what is commonly called a bar spoon, though sometimes it is referred to as a martini spoon or a cocktail spoon.

As you mentioned, Victor S. was a marking that Derby used on some of their silver plated wares. Also as you mention, Derby with their Victor sub-brand was bought and merged into International Silver Company. IS typically continued using the markings of companies that were merged into IS for a while so I would think that this one with the XXXed out marking would date from after it was absorbed into IS which would be around the first quarter of the 20th century. While bar spoons predate cocktails and martinis, my thought is that the popularity of cocktails and martinis in the 1920s might suggest that this spoon may be from around then or a bit later. Hopefully someone here can provide more specific information.

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EWG

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iconnumber posted 06-03-2015 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EWG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kimo, thank you for the feedback. The plate has been worn away in the bowl of one of the spoons.

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June Martin
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iconnumber posted 06-07-2015 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for June Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The spoons could also be iced tea spoons.

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teasetz

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I don't know much about silver, but cocktail mixing is a hobby of mine and this looks like a classic cocktail spoon. It will be much longer and heavier than an iced tea spoon and the bowl will be larger. The handles of cocktail spoons of usually twisted to allow the person stirring to easily rotate the spoon as they go so as not to clank the ice around. Mixologists, as they call themselves these days, don't still the drink and ice around like we would an iced tea or lemonade to mix in simple syrup. They sort of get the ice in the center and rotate it as a mass if that makes sense.

The twists are also to help use the spoon as a swizzle stick if one is making one of the swizzle family of cocktails.

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