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Japspan Posts: 4 |
posted 07-09-2016 04:56 PM
  
Hello, My name is Jeff Poole and I am new to the forum. I have never had the opportunity to buy much silver but as time is moving on and older pieces are slipping into the market I have enjoyed uncovering a few treasures. I recently purchased 2 beakers with what appears to be an engraved tigers face over a bar on one side surrounded by scroll work. Within the same scroll work on the other side are the initials E. B from C. E. R. The second beaker has the same face and scroll but the initials are H. B. From C.E.R. Could these be wedding cups? They are both marked C. STEWART N.Y. I cannot locate any information about this silversmith in any of my books or online. I would love to know when these lovely cups were made, what their purpose was, and in general more about their maker. Thank you for any help you can offer.
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ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 07-10-2016 01:01 AM
Charles Stewart is listed in "Elegant Plate Three Centuries of Precious Metals in New York City" edited by Deborah Dependahl Waters. Charles is listed as active 1833-1850/51 and advertised as a manufacturer at 13 John Street and a branch at 525 Broadway, at the corner of Spring Street. He also stated his location as 525 Broadway and 13 Spring Street in an advertisement two weeks after the one noted above. I wonder in his store had an entrance on both Broadway and Spring. This advertisement also advised customers that he produced only genuine articles and also repaired pearl and coral ornaments. I have always thought of cups as you have as toasting cups used by the bride and groom at their wedding. For any purpose they are very attractive cups in the form of a goblet. IP: Logged |
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Japspan Posts: 4 |
posted 07-10-2016 10:54 AM
Thank you so much! I thought they were stunning! I appreciate your help in identifying their maker age and purpose! IP: Logged |
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Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 07-10-2016 11:08 AM
The tiger engraving is not a 'tiger'. This engraving is two elements of an armorial achievement or what is more commonly called a coat of arms. The 'tiger' is a leopard's head. The thick line underneath it that looks like a length of twisted rope is called a torse. Together these are commonly known as the crest portion of the armorial achievement. They sit on top of the helmet (called the helm) which sits on top of the escutcheon (commonly called the shield) on which is painted the field (background color and/or design) ordinaries (any geometric lines or bands) and any charges (emblems or similar depictions of animals or things). There is also the mantling which is the depiction of ribbons or cloth around the escutcheon and crest, supporters which are figures to either side of the escutcheon, and motto which is on a ribbon beneath the escutcheon. Some achievements have fewer or greater numbers of elements, for example not all achievements have supporters, and some achievements have coronets or crowns in the crest. Everything has a meaning. I know this is too much information, but I see people asking about armorial achievement engravings somewhat regularly and not everyone knows all of these details. While no two armorial achievements can be the same, sometimes there are minor elements of them that are the same from one to another. A crest is an example of one of these minor elements where more than one achievement might have the same crest. Another point is that yes you can research armorial achievements and find out to whom they belong, but unless you get lucky and are able to chance upon an image of the exact achievement on the internet or in a book in the library, it will be pretty much impossible to do the research yourself. If you know the sovereign who granted the achievement then you can go to the heraldic authorities in that country, if they still exist, and pay them to do the research for you but I would caution that it would be prohibitively expensive to have them do it unless your silverware was worth a great many thousands of dollars or pounds and paying many hundreds to a few thousand dollars for the research would not be an issue with you. One last point, there are places on the internet and in shopping malls and such that will look up your so called 'family coat of arms' based on your surname and sell you things with 'your' coat of arms on it. You should know that these are not really your coat of arms. An armorial achievement is granted by a country's heraldic authorities who are acting on behalf of the sovereign of that country and bestow the achievement on one particular individual. For example, in the UK the heralds are a part of the royal household and are appointed by the Queen. An armorial achievement is then inherited only by the direct descendants of that specific individual and with each generation the descendants must prove to the satisfaction of the royal heralds that they are indeed the direct descendant of the person to whom the achievement was originally granted. The only reason I know all of this detail about achievements because I have one. IP: Logged |
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Polly Posts: 1970 |
posted 07-10-2016 07:02 PM
Jeff, nice cups! Kimo, you know we are all now longing to see your armorial achievement. IP: Logged |
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asheland Posts: 935 |
posted 07-11-2016 12:02 PM
Those are excellent! IP: Logged |
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Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 07-11-2016 04:32 PM
Hi Polly. Here is my armorial achievement. It is considered honorary since it is from the Queen and I am not a British citizen, but otherwise it is quite real as it was granted for my service in support of and collaboration with the Commonwealth. The birds are Peregrine falcons by the way. Also, the motto is Latin and literally translates as "Good Fortune Obligates" which means "Having advantages in life obligates me to help those who do not" The lion rampant was chosen for me by the heralds as the central element in reference to it having been the main feature in the armorial achievement of one of my British ancestors who was a second son of a Baron who had this as his achievement and who arrived in the US in 1630 with a land grant for what is today the Boston area and where he served as the Governor General of the Massachusetts Bay Colony. The portion of this that would be my "crest" is comprised of the green and white "torse" with the blue and white coronet on top of it with the arm in the green sleeve rising from the coronet and holding a Peregrine falcon. [This message has been edited by Kimo (edited 07-11-2016).] [This message has been edited by Kimo (edited 07-11-2016).] [This message has been edited by Kimo (edited 07-11-2016).] IP: Logged |
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Polly Posts: 1970 |
posted 07-11-2016 04:42 PM
Thank you for showing us that, Kimo. How wonderful to have been given that honor by the Queen! And what a great motto. IP: Logged |
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