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gobus

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iconnumber posted 09-21-2016 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gobus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd like to revive (College silver) this thread on college silver, which I started in the British/Irish Sterling Forum. Since that was in 2007, I had better begin again as a New Member. I am a modest collector of Georgian silver, and sometimes of American and French of the pre-industrial period. I read widely on this site and elsewhere, and like to research makers, owners, styles, and symbols.

A belated thanks to adelapt for correcting the date of the six forks in my previous post. Here are four George II dessert spoons also engraved "Exon." for Exeter College, Oxford, obtained from the same dealer in that city. The maker or sponsor is Elizabeth Oldfield, who according to Grimwade registered this mark in 1750, and one spoon may show part of the P date mark for that year. The other marks are squashed beyond recognition, as is often the case with bottom-marked spoons.

This time I didn't think it necessary to inquire whether they’d been stolen. Oxford and Cambridge Universities’ fifty or more colleges must have thousands of pieces of Georgian and Victorian flatware that were once in daily use. As evidence, Oliver Rackham's catalogue "Treasures of Silver at Corpus Christi College, Cambridge" (like Exeter, a small college) lists 396 spoons and 387 forks, and mentions that “they remained in use by undergraduates until the 1950s” (p. 205). Who uses them now?

Incidentally, Rackham’s is one of the most entertaining of silver books. Here he writes about Apostle spoons: “Ancient spoons very rarely survive as complete sets. Individual spoons get thrown out accidentally with the rubbish. If the owner keeps his own pigs, as St John’s College did from 1939 to 1954, the spoons go out in the swill, are rejected by the pigs, and sink to the bottom of the trough, are recovered by the gardener and returned. If not, they find their way, centuries later, into the collections of metal detectorists.” (p. 85)

Now that neither the undergraduates nor the pigs have access to college silver, it might as well be sold off, so that others can enjoy its historic associations. In the years since I last posted, has anyone had similar finds?

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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 09-22-2016 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not sure I follow your thought about these schools "might as well sell off" their historical legacy including their silver. I suppose if that were to happen then they may as well just sell off all of the books in their libraries that have not been checked out for over 100 years, or all of the art on the walls that are of old geezers from hundreds of years ago that no one knows anymore, etc. Have you written to them to see if they do want their heritage (these spoons) back?

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asheland

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iconnumber posted 09-23-2016 10:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome back, gobus. I enjoyed this thread.

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 09-23-2016 10:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have not come across any silver with a clear connection a college. I have seen silver items marked with numbers; for example a couple of spoons one marked 3 and one marked 8 or cups with a single number engraved on them. I think these were privately owned and the owner just wanted an easy way to identify each piece.
Silver can be thrown away unexpectedly. We had a dinner party last year and I used some Conning tea knives for dessert. I asked our guests not to bother cleaning up, but after after everyone left I counted the tea knives. Sure enough one was missing and a search of the waste can revealed what had happened. It had been thrown away with some of the food.
Glad you are back Gobus.

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gobus

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iconnumber posted 09-23-2016 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gobus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Asheland and Ahwt, for welcoming me back. I shall start a few more threads now.
I take Kimo's point about responsibility for the heritage of the past, even (or especially) when it's unfashionable. There was a certain irony in my remark. Back in 2007 I did contact the college and receive a reply that confirmed the probity of the dealer (see my ancient post about the Bateman forks). Their attitude might be that 300+ unused spoons are more like multiple copies of a library book, but I agree that it's a regrettable sign of the times.

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