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SilverLiningPockets

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iconnumber posted 01-22-2018 11:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SilverLiningPockets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Howdy,

Excited to be here.

I have been infested with the silver bug for about three years now.

Just this last week I rescued this little plate from an internet ash heap for scrap prices.

I have conducted fairly exhaustive research and I think it is Tiffany from 1897. What do you think?

I was a little on the fence because the detail is not quite up to snuff with a lot of Tiffany wares but then another of this same pattern came up on flea-bay (I hang out on a pearl forum as well and that's what it's called over there LOL) just a couple of days ago with a pattern number that dates to the same year as this one (again, 1897).

So, here are photos, what say you?

Also what do you think this was? I feel like it's slightly too large to be a bread and butter plate but maybe not..? It's about 5 inches across.

SORRY here are the photos again:



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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 02-02-2018 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am not a Tiffany expert so I do not know the name of the pattern, if there is one (not everything had a pattern name) but the marking on the back appears to be consistent with the Tiffany marking used from 1891 to 1902. What is the pattern number? It will be the first set of digits on the second line, the ones in front of the word MAKERS.

What is the diameter of the plate? If it is about 6 inches give or take then it was likely sold as a bread and butter plate, but the nice thing about silver these days is that you can use your silver for whatever purpose you like and enjoy it. If it is a bread and butter plate then you would expect to have a set of either 8 or 12 or possibly even 16 of them in your service.

There is an enormous amount of fake Tiffany on the market and especially on the big auction website so I cannot comment on whether this one is real or fake. From the images you have posted my first impression is that it looks real but the fakers have become so expert these days that it would take someone knowledgeable to hold it in their hands to be able to say for sure.

It is in pretty rough condition sadly. An expert silversmith could likely bring it back to what it should be but it would cost a fair amount since you would be paying an exceptionally skilled artist to work on it for a fair amount of time. And there are not many silversmiths with that level of skill left in the world.

Thanks for sharing the images!

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SilverLiningPockets

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iconnumber posted 02-06-2018 09:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SilverLiningPockets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree, there is a ton of fake tiffany and I am no expert either haha. And yeah it's in pretty bad shape but I hope I didn't mess up too badly....I cleaned it! (I know that phrase probably strikes fear into many of your hearts haha)

Check out the before and after:


I tried to align them as closely as possible. Obviously the dents are still there but I think it looks a heck of a lot nicer. Can I ask too, what is best practice when polishing a scroll? Up to the edge or leave a border of patina?

Thanks again, and thanks for your input Kimo!

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asheland

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iconnumber posted 02-06-2018 09:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It looks good! Just a gentle hand polish will suffice. The tarnish will stay where it belongs (in the recess) I think it looks proper. smile

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Richard Kurtzman
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iconnumber posted 02-06-2018 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard Kurtzman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's hard to tell from your photos, but two comments:

1. It looks authentic.
2. It is more than likely a base or platform upon which another object sat.

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SilverLiningPockets

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iconnumber posted 02-07-2018 03:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SilverLiningPockets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Richard, I will work on my photography skills hehe. These were all just with my iphone (only a 6 at that) so maybe I will get out the DSLR next time. And that is good thinking that it looks like a base for something. I hadn't considered that.

And Ashe thanks, I didn't clean/polish the edges (or back for that matter) at all so I will give it a quick once over. I was really afraid of "accidentally" negating every bit of patina but you have given me a mote of confidence. Thank you. smile

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asheland

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iconnumber posted 02-07-2018 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're welcome. smile

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Richard Kurtzman
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iconnumber posted 02-07-2018 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard Kurtzman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's not the quality of the camera, but rather the choice of angles shown.

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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 02-07-2018 10:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Be sure to use your Macro setting on your DSLR, an if you have a circular polarizing filter you should use it as it can be really helpful in keeping down the reflections of silver objects.

Gentle hand polishing of silver with a well worn and extra soft 100 percent cotton rag and some good quality name brand silver paste polish (do not use silver dip as that will take away the patina that is so important to preserve). When you polish, do not over polish especially in all of the nooks and crannies and crevices of the design area. You want to have that black tarnish left there as it will give a more three dimensional look and it will make it look its age which you really, really want. And when you use your DSLR you will want to be sure to resize your photos to fit this Forums maximum size requirements.

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