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SnoodinOrange Posts: 9 |
posted 11-07-2018 12:03 AM
  
[26-2793] Hi there! I bought this old Tiffany creamer pitcher for my husband because he liked the face on it. I'd like to make a record of what I can find out about it as I like to do with all the items we collect. The stories behind them is the best part! My question is about the "Old Silver" stamp at the bottom of the Tiffany hallmark. I can't find any information about that or what it means in the Carpenter book or online. I have seen the Moore Tiffany pieces marked with an address or Union Square before, but does anyone have any feedback or has anyone seen a Tiffany piece marked "Old Silver" before? Thanks for your time! [This message has been edited by SnoodinOrange (edited 11-07-2018).] IP: Logged |
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ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 11-07-2018 12:36 AM
I have not seen the “Old Silver” mark before, but I do love your creamer. That may be the face of Father Wind although at one time I thought it was a representation of the North Wind. IP: Logged |
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Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 11-07-2018 12:58 AM
He might also be the "Green Man" because of his being merged into the leaves. The Green Man motif/design goes back a great many centuries but there was a revival of it in the late 1800s and 1900s especially in gothic revival and arts and crafts style objects and buildings. It ebbed a bit after that but has never really gone away and you can still see things made today with this motif. IP: Logged |
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asheland Posts: 935 |
posted 11-07-2018 10:22 AM
That's a terrific example! IP: Logged |
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SnoodinOrange Posts: 9 |
posted 11-07-2018 09:09 PM
Thanks all for the feedback! I will keep watching for any additional ideas on the "Old Silver" stamp. One last question if you don't mind. The belly of the creamer has fingerprint sized impressions and indentations all around the area where it bows out. Would this be something that could be repaired and if so, would that be okay to do? To try and have it restored? Or is that a big no no to alter an antique piece of silver in any way? I typically like to leave things as they are aside from hand polishing but the damage is pretty prevalent in a smooth / non decorated area, so I thought I'd ask the experts opinion if anything could / should be done. The face, handle, leaf finial, all that is perfect, it's just the round belly of the creamer that needs some love. IP: Logged |
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ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 11-07-2018 11:47 PM
I think that really depends on the person that owns the silver object. I have had many a dent taken out and in my opinion I just took the piece back to what it looked like when it was new. Buffing is not necessary for removal of dents. IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 11-08-2018 06:33 AM
quote: Absolutely agree with ahwt about the above. As far getting the repair done well and right it really depends on the silversmith. Selecting a silversmith with the correct skills and antique preservation experience could determine whether repair is truly an improvement or just a change that looks different. Perhaps one of our silversmith members will see this post and offer some advice. They may ask for some additional photos before rendering an opinion. IP: Logged |
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asheland Posts: 935 |
posted 11-08-2018 09:51 AM
Can you post a picture of the dent? If it's minor, I'd personally leave it alone, but perhaps it can be pushed out. Definitely have a skilled silversmith do the work if you choose to have it repaired! That "old silver" mark is a first for me! It looks contemporary to the piece. Very interesting indeed! IP: Logged |
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SnoodinOrange Posts: 9 |
posted 11-08-2018 11:12 AM
Thanks all for the feedback! Here are the photos of the dents. I don't mind surface wear, pin dings or scratches but these are pretty noticeable that it kind of takes away from the piece when viewed on the table. It's a sturdy piece so I don't think it would be easy to press out because the areas don't flex at all when pressure is applied, but I'm not sure what tools silversmiths might have that may help. Thanks again for everyone's advice! The photo link isn't embedding now for some reason, using the instructions on the site that I used to post the last photos. Maybe I need to resize them. I will try again this evening, apologies for error and delay. [note: This wasn't because of anything you did. It was a setting that was changed when doing some trouble shooting. We have reset the setting] Thank you Scott for helping me fix! Adding the photos of the other sides. From some angles it looks really nice but from others, the indentations are more noticeable. : ( [This message has been edited by SnoodinOrange (edited 11-08-2018).] IP: Logged |
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Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 11-08-2018 11:58 PM
If it were mine I would have the dents taken out, but only by a very experienced silver smith and not just some jeweler. I would also never let this nice creamer be put anywhere near a buffing machine or any kind of dip polishing fluid. Some nice name brand polishing paste and a very well washed and soft piece of 100 percent cotton gently applied and only when it really needs it is all that it would need to stay in perfect condition. I would also try to use it on my table often - that is what it was made for. IP: Logged |
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asheland Posts: 935 |
posted 11-09-2018 12:35 PM
Kimo said it perfectly! Those are large enough dents that I would have them removed but make certain they do NOT buff the piece! I'm sure there must be someone here who can recommend the right guy for the job... IP: Logged |
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agleopar Posts: 850 |
posted 11-09-2018 02:02 PM
@ SnoodinOrange that is a great pitcher! The dents are a very straightforward problem. Any competent smith should be able to get them out without harming the pitcher. The best way is to gently push them out from the inside with the right size tool, preferably leather or plastic between the tool and pitcher so as not to scratch the inside. If done right the metal is pushed to exactly the same level as before and no hammering is needed. Done badly and hammering is used to “planish” the surface then polishing will need to be done to hide/remove the hammer marks. That means that the surface will no longer have its 100 + year look. If the dents were done by something abrasive the rough areas can be touched up carefully and only in that spot so the rest of the pitcher stays the same. Done right it’s a 15-30 minute job and you will enjoy it all the more! IP: Logged |
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SnoodinOrange Posts: 9 |
posted 11-09-2018 09:18 PM
Thank you all so much for your time and feedback! I really appreciate it. Please stop back and post again if anyone ever comes across what "Old Silver" might mean. Thanks again!! IP: Logged |
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