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mk209

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iconnumber posted 03-08-2019 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mk209     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi I’m Matt and I’ve been collecting silver for just over 10 years now.

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mk209

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iconnumber posted 03-08-2019 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mk209     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I recently came across one of the oldest spoons I’ve had the chance to buy for my collection and need some help identifying it. Hopefully I’ll get chance to post in the right forum when I get past all this newbie stuff.........



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mk209

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iconnumber posted 03-08-2019 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mk209     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Apart from being a collector I also started to make my own spoons (I’ve made other silver items before)


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June Martin
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iconnumber posted 03-09-2019 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for June Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Matt. I close up of the marks would be most helpful.

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mk209

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iconnumber posted 03-09-2019 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mk209     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This spoon is clearly Norwegian and possibly 16th century with later engraving to the back of the bowl. I know nothing more about it though.....


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asheland

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iconnumber posted 03-11-2019 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cool spoon. smile

Welcome to the forums!

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doc

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iconnumber posted 03-11-2019 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for doc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cool spoon indeed, and the one you made is lovely as well. Welcome!

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mk209

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iconnumber posted 03-12-2019 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mk209     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thankyou for the welcome but the whole being made to feel like a newbie and not being allowed to post anywhere but here until you’re deemed worthy is just pompous and off-putting. As a collector of some experience who has contributed a little to other online resources it’s frustrating.

I would suggest things change and give people the benefit of doubt, I’m sure moderators are able to do their jobs and catch spam posts? Having been a manager of a very big international forum for years you get a feel for what makes people welcome.........but anyway frustrations aside I’ve no idea how to make myself ‘worthy’ of this place as I cannot reply to posts that I have info on? Not wishing to endlessly post replies on these posts which have replies already I feel there’s nothing to do.........catch 22..........

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 03-12-2019 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are a "Newbie" to the Silver Salon Forums. Please really read the Guidelines.

You may respond to any post right here.

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June Martin
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iconnumber posted 03-12-2019 10:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for June Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello, Matt. If you feel so offended by the protocol of this forum, I wonder why you bothered to post at all?

Our intention is not to make newcomers feel unwelcome, but to focus the discussions beyond the ever present "What's it worth?" to the more meaningful conversations.

We have been running this site for over 25 years now so are quite experienced with the pros and cons of site management. We welcome anyone who embraces the culture that has been nourished here. We also understand that this culture is not to everyone's taste.

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mk209

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iconnumber posted 03-13-2019 03:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mk209     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Likewise I think offence has been taken to my first impressions of the forum. Why did I bother to post? Well I feel I can contribute and engage in discussions but there’s no clear path to shaking off the ‘newbie tag’ who decides? Like I said I can reply to posts here and endlessly welcome people is that what’s needed? Answering peoples questions that have been answered already is that seems trolling to me just to get your post count up.

I’m sorry you feel offended by my first impressions do feel free to remove me.

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 03-13-2019 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Scott Martin:
You are a "Newbie" to the Silver Salon Forums. Please really read the Guidelines.

You may respond to any post right here.


Please really read the Guidelines.

You may respond to any post (that is anywhere in the SSF) right here.

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agleopar

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iconnumber posted 03-13-2019 10:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for agleopar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Matt, welcome and the few regulars here do welcome you. As Scott pointed out the main reason for your "quarentine" in newbie land is that the majority, by far, of new posters just want a free and really for the regulars a very boring appraisal.

If you are who you are in this world that we all find interesting then post questions, contribute what you can/want and you won't be a newbie. Then I think it's just a matter of asking... To tell you the truth I don't remember exactly because I have not read the guide lines since the last debate as to what the guidelines should be. I think they tell you that it's painless.

I look forward to your future participation. Please be patient with your Norwegian spoon id there are only one or 2 who might be able to help.

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iconnumber posted 03-13-2019 10:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Scott Martin:
Please really read the Guidelines.

You may respond to any post (that is anywhere in the SSF) right here.


Please really read the Guidelines.

You may respond to any post (that is anywhere in the SSF) right here.

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agleopar

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iconnumber posted 03-13-2019 10:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for agleopar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh and also, your trefid (?) spoon with rat tail is masterful. I'm curious if it was forged, swaged or filed and sunk? Are you self taught or is there a spoon maker out there we do not know of?
Cheers

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mk209

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iconnumber posted 03-14-2019 08:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mk209     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The spoon was made entirely by hand it took about 12 hours in total. I didn’t use any modern methods just hammering, sawing and filing with my favourite tool, a small pointed oval file. The only experience I have is a few silver courses in a language I didn’t understand much of making other things. I don’t know I just know how to make them, I think it’s a lot to do with being around them so much. Being a mad collector there’s lots of makers who’s work I recognise without seeing the marks. Every spoon shows minor details of how and in what way it was made. I love making them but being a full-time dad of a 1 year old I get very little time hence it was unfinished.

The spoon was copying the style of Jean Harache:

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asheland

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iconnumber posted 03-14-2019 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's a cool spoon that you made!

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agleopar

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iconnumber posted 03-14-2019 09:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for agleopar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Matt, huge respect for the self taught! That Harache spoon and your copy is terrific. You might be interested in you tube videos of David Bagaley (sp?) spoon maker of Sheffield England hot forging a spoon or the post here of an article about him making the largest spoon (35 Oz, 28” and held 1 pint!).

Please do continue here, I think it’s your crowd. And I’d love to see the marks on the Harache spoon. I just bought a London spoon from 1729 and do not know the maker... so I will try to get images up soon.

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asheland

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iconnumber posted 03-15-2019 09:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Rob, that London spoon sounds sweet! I look forward to seeing the pictures...

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dragonflywink

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iconnumber posted 03-16-2019 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflywink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Eh, you received a prompt and friendly welcome and even continued pleasant discourse after negative comments - it's not really difficult to gain full membership. This place is source of peace and pleasure, where those who truly love silver can discuss it without feeling almost used by those who are only interested in the forums only for determining value (but the site is easily searched by anyone for research).

I have little time these days, but did see your post on the strawberry knop spoon in another forum - left it for those with more knowledge in the area to answer, but no bites so far. Will say that while it is not necessarily 'clearly Norwegian', to my eye, mostly on the basis of the engraving, believe it is most likely Scandinavian, and quite likely 17th century, the initials probably belonging to a couple (the ending 'S' and 'D' indicating 'Son/Sonn' and 'Dotter/Datter'...

~Cheryl

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dragonflywink

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iconnumber posted 03-16-2019 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflywink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here are some similar 17th century Norwegian spoons, found at the Stavanger Museum and Norsk Folkemuseum, the first described as having a grape knop, 'strawberry knop' being a general term for these fruit topped spoons:

Norwegian spoon 1

Norwegian spoon 2

Norwegian spoon 3

~Cheryl

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 03-17-2019 07:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cheryl,Thanks for the identification and link to the museum site.
Another spoon from Norway exhibits engraving similar to these much older spoons. The 'strawberry knop' spoons are probable 150 to 200 years earlier but still have the same look to the engraving.

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