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iconnumber posted 01-04-2021 09:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dovahkiin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

A few days ago I Located the attached knife on St Kilda beach (Australia, Victoria) under about a foot of sand in a washed out area.

Knife is approx. 16-17cm in length with a gold colored blade and silver colored handle. The blade is sharp on one side, approx. 1.5cm wide. The handle is approx. 1.5cm wide at the base and 1cm wide below the blade.

The handle has a cursive '3' or 'E' engraved in the bottom.

The handle has two engravings, one on each side, just below the blade. The first engraving is a cursive 'P' inside a crest of sorts. The second appears to me like a crown symbol, followed by '00' or '800' or similar.

I have done some research on silversmith markings and believe I have identified its make - hoping that someone here can confirm/deny/speculate or otherwise as to what they think?

I believe the cursive 'P' in crest and 'crown 800' marks are that of 'Posen Lazarus Witwe.' Now the history behind this silversmith is actually pretty cool. The attached photo's detail the brief summary but pretty much it was a Polish business in Germany when in 1938, 'Kristallnacht' took place and approx. 7000 Jewish businesses and synagogues were looted and destroyed, including Posen Lazarus Witwe. During this event, 30,000 Jewish males were arrested and sent to Concentration camps whilst the German Government looked on without doing anything. This took place approx. 11 months before WW2 was declared and the company never recovered post WW2.

As such, the knife is at the very least 82 years old and somehow found its way from Germany to St Kilda Beach in Melbourne, found in 2021. I think it's absolutely fascinating!

SO - can anyone provide their expert knowledge - am I on the right track, am I way off?

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iconnumber posted 01-05-2021 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Port Phillip Bay area has over 50 shipwrecks perhaps it came from one of those or maybe it was left behind by a picnicking beach visitor.

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