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vez Posts: 12 Registered: Sep 2019	posted 05-01-2023 12:32 PM Hello again everyone. I bought this recently. It was so black and encrusted with dirt that I had to wash my hands first when I got home. Originally I thought it was a grape and vine decoration but since then it seems to be some sort of description of a pineapple: Chrysler Museum of Art June seems to have a similar example above. The one I have is not nearly so detailed. I find it hard to believe this one here is nearly as old. Anyway there is so much detail I couldn't pass it up. [This message has been edited by Mod assistant (edited 05-01-2023).] IP: Logged
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11543 Registered: Apr 93	posted 05-01-2023 02:55 PM This is really great. Nice find. Have you discovered any marks? In my early years of the "hunt", my best find was a spoon that was so dirty & black with tarnish that I thought it was & bought it as pewter. It was actually silver and from circa 1730 NYC. IP: Logged
vez Posts: 12 Registered: Sep 2019	posted 05-01-2023 04:17 PM Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. Unfortunately there aren't any marks that I could identify. This is the closest thing to a mark that I could find. I Really appreciate the help and interest. let me know if you need any better photos to help decide anything. IP: Logged
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11543 Registered: Apr 93	posted 05-01-2023 06:00 PM I suppose that could be the mark. Perhaps someone else knows more. Here is an enlargement: [This message has been edited by Scott Martin (edited 05-01-2023).] IP: Logged
ahwt Posts: 2354 Registered: Mar 2003	posted 05-02-2023 10:30 AM Congratulations on a great find. IP: Logged
ahwt Posts: 2354 Registered: Mar 2003	posted 05-02-2023 03:08 PM Above is some information that may be useful to you. This information in from Timothy Schroder’s book The Gilbert Collection of Gold and Silver. This collection is at the Los Angeles County Museum of Art. Their curator maybe someone you could contact for more information on your cup. [This message has been edited by ahwt (edited 05-02-2023).] [This message has been edited by ahwt (edited 05-02-2023).] IP: Logged
Kimo Posts: 1643 Registered: Mar 2003	posted 05-02-2023 04:26 PM I think yours is a grape cluster cup. It is different from the pinaapple one in that yours has what appear to be the vine parts that grape vines have and that pineapples do not have. IP: Logged
ahwt Posts: 2354 Registered: Mar 2003	posted 05-02-2023 08:07 PM Another cup from the Gilbert book; this time a so called Doppelpokale. I added it for the term used to describe the lobs. Here they call it gothic lobate style. This term may be useful for google searches. The lobs may be grapes as suggested by Kimo. IP: Logged
vez Posts: 12 Registered: Sep 2019	posted 05-08-2023 01:30 PM Scott, thanks for enlarging that photo. I wish I had more to go on as far as marks are concerned. Oh well. ahwt, thanks for that interesting research. I've done a bit more poking around on the internet and agree with Kimo that this is more of a grape and vine design. I've found a site that describes these cups as 'Traubenpokal', which apparently means something along the lines of 'a cup in the shape of a bunch of grapes'. At least according to this short informative article: A Traubenpokal from Nuremberg Thanks again everyone [This message has been edited by Mod assistant (edited 05-08-2023).] IP: Logged

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