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Handfuls Posts: 10 |
posted 08-21-2023 01:53 PM
  
I have a silver pendant was made by Tiffany and Co. in the early twentieth century. It belonged to a sister of my wife's grandfather. It is roughly the size and weight of a Greek tetradrachma but hollow. The images are reminiscent of Greco-Roman coins but seem to be original designs. I would like to know more about it but the Tiffany Archives would charge me $1000 to research it. IP: Logged |
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Paul Lemieux Posts: 1800 |
posted 08-27-2023 05:46 AM
Please post a photo. It sounds like you could be describing a piece made by Shiebler and retailed by Tiffany, but without a photo, that's pure speculation. If you are unable to post photos, google Shiebler Tiffany medallion and see if I'm on the right track. IP: Logged |
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Handfuls Posts: 10 |
posted 08-27-2023 10:43 AM
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11564 |
posted 08-27-2023 11:04 AM
Paul nailed it! [This message has been edited by Scott Martin (edited 08-27-2023).] IP: Logged |
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Handfuls Posts: 10 |
posted 08-27-2023 11:28 AM
Great. Thanks. IP: Logged |
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Paul Lemieux Posts: 1800 |
posted 08-30-2023 07:07 AM
interesting form. i don't remember seeing this thick, hollow style before. in the first picture i can see the outline of rivets at 2:00, 6:00, and 10:00. these seem unusual since in the bottom picture everything seems to be soldered together. does anything move or open on this piece? IP: Logged |
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Handfuls Posts: 10 |
posted 08-30-2023 08:49 AM
Hallow for sure. Nothing moves. However there are holes on parts of the band where there are no stamps (not shown). IP: Logged |
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Paul Lemieux Posts: 1800 |
posted 08-31-2023 08:11 AM
could you post a picture of the holes? hollow items require a hole so the expanding hot air inside can escape when they are being soldered shut. but if there are multiple holes, they may have had some function or they connected to another piece now missing. [This message has been edited by Paul Lemieux (edited 08-31-2023).] IP: Logged |
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Handfuls Posts: 10 |
posted 08-31-2023 08:36 AM
I will post more pictures later today. IP: Logged |
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Handfuls Posts: 10 |
posted 08-31-2023 09:49 AM
  There are thirteen holes. I can stick in a thin needle, but only about 3 mm before it runs into resistance, so the center is not hollow. I wonder if it was filled with something aromatic and if the holes not only allowed it to be fragrant but also allowed it to be replenished by soaking in an appropriate solution. [This message has been edited by Handfuls (edited 08-31-2023).] IP: Logged |
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June Martin Forum Master Posts: 1342 |
posted 08-31-2023 07:14 PM
Could it have been a pin cushion? Maybe the piece inside that would have secured the pins in place has hardened with age. IP: Logged |
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Handfuls Posts: 10 |
posted 08-31-2023 07:57 PM
That seems very unlikely to me. Only very small gauge needles will penetrate the holes. IP: Logged |
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Handfuls Posts: 10 |
posted 09-03-2023 10:26 AM
Searching eBay and Etsy for "Shiebler Homeric silver" I have found these motifs used on a wide variety of objects, from sardine forks to salt shakers, with numerous pieces of jewelry, including pedants, pins, and key fobs. Here are pictures of a few examples. However, I found nothing that was two-sided like the piece I have.    IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11564 |
posted 09-03-2023 11:06 AM
Use the two forum search functions for additional examples. IP: Logged |
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Kimo Posts: 1649 |
posted 09-04-2023 09:39 AM
I have no facts, but one possibility might be that this was made up by a silversmith using some Sheibler parts from damaged Sheibler pieces? It is hard to tell from the images but the soldering putting it together seems a bit rough for a Sheibler made piece. Also, I am not full convinced at this point that the Tiffany marking was not added at some point. It could be correct, but spurious Tiffany markings have been added after the fact to all kinds of things to increase their resale potential and if this is not found in any Tiffancy catalogues of the day then this might suggest it is not Tiffany. I would love to be proven wrong, but my experience is such that one is best doubting until proven when Tiffany markings are concerned. IP: Logged |
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Paul Lemieux Posts: 1800 |
posted 09-10-2023 05:51 AM
is there some kind of an open space at 12:00 around where the loop comes out of the main part? or is that just a shadow? i don't suppose that loop unscrews or is somehow removable...? i would say it is a vinaigrette if there was only some way to get perfumed cotton or solid perfume in & out of the container. my feeling is that it is an authentic shiebler for tiffany piece. i don't think the marks are suspicious or that this is an altered/made-up piece (perhaps it hung from some larger piece, but i don't see any reason to think that yet). [This message has been edited by Paul Lemieux (edited 09-10-2023).] IP: Logged |
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Handfuls Posts: 10 |
posted 09-10-2023 09:21 AM
The loop is soldered solidly to the middle of the central band. IP: Logged |
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Paul Lemieux Posts: 1800 |
posted 11-06-2023 07:43 AM
i was poking around online and happened upon this piece by Whiting Mfg. Co. although it's a matchsafe and yours probably isn't, the form is very similar and the Whiting piece opens from the top. when i look at your photos again, it looks like there is a recess where the loop on your piece is placed. is it possible that yours opens like the Whiting piece, but that the lid somehow got jammed inside a little bit? the outlines of rivets on your piece have me convinced that something moves. the upper rivet might be to anchor a hinge, and the lower one perhaps to anchor some kind of spring mechanism (like those used in matchsafes). since the body of your piece is soldered together, there is no reasonable explanation for the rivets other than that they are holding something inside. IP: Logged |
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Handfuls Posts: 10 |
posted 11-06-2023 08:51 AM
Absolutely solid band. IP: Logged |
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