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Alpha Malone

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iconnumber posted 06-27-2006 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alpha Malone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I have been gathering spoons (mixed sizes) just for their appeal, but now I want to do something with them. I want to use them or to pass them along. Could anyone tell me what I have, so that I can make decisions? (Each numbered entry represents another item.)

  1. K. STAUDENMAN 830S

  2. circled W; lion on all fours-facing left; STERLING; initials M A

  3. PAT 1896; lion/all fours facing right; anchor; initial C, B, or G?; STERLING; C

  4. rounded crown, letters NSC; King Edward Silverplate

  5. EPNS; MADE IN ENGLAND

  6. 1847; ROGERS BROS. AI ; two words, rounded into a circle outline;? VERILNA _ _ _ _ ; a small dot in middle of the circle

  7. NEW ENGLAND SILVERPLATE

  8. INTERNATIONAL SILVERPLATE

  9. COMMUNITY, numerals 504 in obverse of bowl

    Please take a "stab" at my forks!

  10. WALLINGFORD CO. 12D W T

  11. a star *; ROBERS&BRO. ; each letter in
    in upright rectangles I S

  12. WM. ROGERS & SON AA ; in upright rectangles I S

  13. WM.A.ROGERS A1 PLUS ; arched ONEIDA;
    underneath LTD
  14. TUDOR PLATE ONEIDA COMMUNITY

  15. TUDOR PLATE ONEIDA COMMUNITY MADE

  16. EX PRNS BERGQUIST ; MADE IN SWE_ _ _

Your answers will be fun to read.

Sincere Thanks,
A.M.

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wev
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iconnumber posted 06-27-2006 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome to the Forums.

If you make use of the search function, you can make a good start on your own; almost all the names you have listed have been discussed in the past.

When you have narrowed the list, ask about the remaining mysteries. Including a good picture will help you get a worthwhile response.

As to what to keep and what to shed, that is not a question we can answer; we do not discuss values and past that, measures of desirability are entirely personal and subjective, essentially meaningless to anyone else.

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Alpha Malone

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iconnumber posted 06-27-2006 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alpha Malone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Correct! My meaning was to evaluate the items, MYSELF, after considering approximate, factual identification. I am "old guard", which is why I decided to spend time on a forum that I deemed trustworthy. I appreciate the opportunity to clarify my intentions.

Sincerely,
A.M.

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tmockait

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iconnumber posted 06-27-2006 09:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alpha,

Wyler's Book of Old Silver has a pretty straight-forward explanation of basic silver marking. A lot of libraries have it, and it is relatively inexpensive. A couple of things to help you narrow down your search.

  • EPNS stands for electroplated nickel silver indicating that the piece is silver plate rather than sterling.

  • A1 also designates plate indicating the depth of silver on the base metal.

  • The word "sterling" is used to designate American pieces that are 92.5% pure silver.

  • WEV is right about the search function. Type in the names of the makers listed on your spoons and you will find a wealth of information already posted.

Good luck,
Tom

PS Once you have done the search don't hesitate to post questions about a specific spoon.

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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 06-28-2006 10:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To add a bit to Tom's pointers on where to start looking in this forum's old threads for much information on the markings on your spoons and forks:

the 830S on spoon number one indicates it is made of silver that is 830 parts per thousand silver or 83% silver and 17% other metals (such as copper and nickel). Sterling silver is 925 parts per thousand or 92.5% silver and 7.5% other metals. 830 silver tends to be one of the silver purity standards that is found on some European things, but not exclusively.

The markings on your spoon number three sound like the markings of the Gorham Silver Company which are a lion, anchor and letter G in gothic font.

The 12 D WT markings on fork number ten likely stand for 12 pennyweight (the D is the English symbol for penny, back before they changed over to the decimal system). This indicates the weight of silver they used to plate two dozen forks and is a rough indicator of thickness of silver plating.

As others have said, once you do this research come back to us with any questions on ones you can't figure out and post some photos of them and their markings.

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salmoned

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iconnumber posted 06-28-2006 08:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for salmoned     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Alpha Malone:
Correct! My meaning was to evaluate the items, MYSELF, after considering approximate, factual identification. I am "old guard", which is why I decided to spend time on a forum that I deemed trustworthy. I appreciate the opportunity to clarify my intentions.

Sincerely,
A.M.


It would be difficult bordering on impossible to receive 'factual identification' without at least providing photos of the marks (photos of the items are appreciated, too). Dem's da fax! wink

The ones marked 'sterling' probably are sterling, the '830S' is probably 830/1000 silver, the rest are probably silver-plated base metal (not my area of interest).

[This message has been edited by salmoned (edited 06-28-2006).]

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