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venus

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iconnumber posted 04-22-2006 08:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Was it something I said to cause my post to be snipped, (well more than snipped it was deleted)? Just showed a napkin ring, properly sized I thought? Asked if anyone had heard of a silversmith by a certain name.

It was a lovely napkin ring, showing a hunting dog and a bird and a feather and some grapes. frown

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hello

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iconnumber posted 04-22-2006 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hello     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sometimes posts 'disapear' glitch I think

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tmockait

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iconnumber posted 04-22-2006 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus,

You would have gotten some kind of explanation. I suspect the electrons disappeared some where in cyber space through no one's fault.

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iconnumber posted 04-22-2006 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yesterday I saw your post. It was posted more than once (duplicated). I deleted one of the dups. Perhaps another moderator deleted the other post at the same time. Re-post.

In the future I would suggest you send an email instead of making this type of inquiry a post. Of course, if we haven't replied to your e-mail (give it a few days), then by all means this type of post is appropriate as your email might have been lost to the SPAM bucket.

BTW - SSF server side glitches are rare. Very rare. if there is a glitch

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venus

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iconnumber posted 04-22-2006 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok..... and yes all the above are possible

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jersey

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iconnumber posted 04-22-2006 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jersey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Venus!

I saw the post too, and when I went to respond it was gone so I couldn't recall who posted it to leave a response.

Here is what I found. There was an auction a year or so ago with a couple of napkin rings with that makers name & the auction house had them listed as Victorian reproductions.

I do know there are many beautiful reproductions being made in the "old" style. How to tell the difference I don't know.

Try a search for reproduction figural silver napkin rings, that may help.

Hope this helps.
Jersey

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venus

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iconnumber posted 04-23-2006 08:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks jersey....

I showed it to a 89 year old silver dealer and she said she thought it may be a reproduction, perhaps made in Italy. I found 2 marks (both the same) which were unreadable. Then the C. Grigley on the base as well.

Back to this 89 year old woman, she drives herself several hundred miles to shows say in Atlanta and other places! Remarkable.....

Found it jersey! Auction for one by the same maker, while the figurals are different, the base is the same. thanks for your help.

back/side view of hunting dog and bird

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iconnumber posted 04-23-2006 09:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jersey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi again Venus!

Glad I could be of help.

Reproduction or not it is still a lovely piece, so enjoy it. Your post also made me aware of this being done & I will now be more careful in my buying.

Enjoy your piece.
Jersey

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artlibrarian

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iconnumber posted 04-23-2006 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for artlibrarian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Venus,

There is a subscription website called repronews.com (Antique & Collectors Reproduction News) by the publishers of Antique Trader. They issue articles and updates on fakes and reproduction items.

There are a number of articles about Victorian figural napkin rings. A synopsis: there is an American maker of high quality reproductions named James Mackie (hallmark "JM", also "J(crown)M" he is a silversmith and the items are collectible in their own right. The mark is tiny compared to a pencil tip so you must look carefully.

There are also lower quality items from various companies coming out of China. Obvious quality differences such as visible seams, lack of fine detail, grinding scratches inside the ring, also casting method used (old ones are cast solid and new ones are sometimes filled) and new designs that didn't originally exist help to identify them. Old rings are usually die stamped with the maker's mark, new marks are often cast in the mold.

I hope this helps.

By the way, yours looks to have lovely quality detail, none of the rings I saw pictured in repronews were of your item.

Artlibrarian

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outwest

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iconnumber posted 04-23-2006 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for outwest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If this napkin ring is a reproduction it is certainly a high quality one and I would enjoy using it. It seems to have very good detail. Most reproductions do not look very crisp. This does in the picture.

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iconnumber posted 04-23-2006 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for artlibrarian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Silverplate napkin rings by Chip Grigley are available on the web, they are not vintage or antique pieces.

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iconnumber posted 04-23-2006 06:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks so much for all the posts.

This was purchased at a charity store. It was so pretty to me and it doesn't take much to make me happy. I know that it would not have remained on that shelf for long, surprised it waited for me to come along. It is nicely made, the hunting dog is alert looking and the bird ready to take flight. Hate to admit being so backwards here, but this is the first napkin holder I have ever seen in real life.

Special "hello" to the art lady. I just thought hallmarks on silver were difficult to read at times. They are nothing like a signature. sigh

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