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Mark_Jordan

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iconnumber posted 11-19-2010 07:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mark_Jordan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is a brooch 28mm in diameter.

It looks like Catherine II or Catherine I. It is enamel on silver, red guiloche, gilt around the edge and on headdress, three diamonds (tested by jeweler) in the headdress and one on the necklace. The pin is marked and so is the 'c' clasp but I can't make it out, it also looks like there is a very small letter stamp on the 'c' clasp which looks like a dot on the photo. I suspect the pin, 'c' clasp and even the mount on which the enameled silver plate is mounted may be gold. The rear of the plate is marked 932 which I suspect is a mistake where someone picked up a 2 instead of a 5. Any help would be welcome.

Unfortunately the marks can look different depending on which way the light falls, because they are so small. It really needs to be identified by the type of work.

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Postnikov

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iconnumber posted 11-19-2010 07:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Postnikov     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi -
Neither the makeup, style, quality nor the silver content is Russian.

Regards
Postnikov

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 11-19-2010 08:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mark_Jordan,

Welcome to the Silver Salon Forums. Good job with the photos.

Please read and respond as requested in the the yellow box above.
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Mark_Jordan

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iconnumber posted 11-19-2010 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mark_Jordan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am asking the question because I am interested in its origin, pretty obvious really. If there are people on here that can help identify it, all well and good, but if the moderator has a petty minded Hitler attitude, then obviously I will ask elsewhere and not bother to come back.

Thanks and goodbye.

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 11-19-2010 09:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I suspect that this was business reseach. But since Mark didn't introduce themselves nor did they provide the reasons for asking......

Their being some what impolite... it is best that they go elsewhere.

I'll bet it won't be long before I get an email pointing out where this is for sale....

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Hose_dk

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iconnumber posted 11-19-2010 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hose_dk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First post ask a question, second post referring to Hitler.

I bet this was approx the 763 name registred by that person. smile

No reason not to be polite - even if your agenda was seen before you had your way smile

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Mark_Jordan

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iconnumber posted 11-19-2010 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mark_Jordan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Agenda? My love is actually watches, I have a Hanhart Type 41, an Omega 321 1967, a 1780 AguimacPparis 1/4 repeater, an Omega gold bezel 1983 special reduced, a multitude of Victorian silver and gold pocket watches and wrist watches.

My agenda was to discover something about the brooch which I have no experience with.

I don't think its friendly spouting board rules to a new member, who really cares? Surely you are here as a refernce source, if not, what bloody use are you?

If someone wants to eBay their stuff, who are you to dictate or comment on what they do, what the hell do you jumped up pratts think you are?

Don't worry, I have contacted some real experts, not old farts with nothing better to do that spout rules on a low quality board.

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 11-19-2010 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mark,

We all strive to be polite and to live within the Guidelines. This clearly is not what you are able to do. Its been a while since we last terminated someone's membership. We are terminating your SSF membership. You may appeal the decision via email.

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Hose_dk

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iconnumber posted 11-19-2010 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hose_dk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Mark
In my opinion you are a person that should have listened when you mother taught you basic human behavior.

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 11-19-2010 08:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Mark,

When I provide information to an on line seller, I expect to be paid for my expertise. I post here because I enjoy discussing silver when there is no commercial pressure being applied. Too bad you don't understand this.

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Ulysses Dietz
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iconnumber posted 11-20-2010 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ulysses Dietz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All said and done, I think it is French. Why do you say silver? Looks like gold to me, and that's what the mark looks like. Just asking.

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Polly

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iconnumber posted 11-20-2010 06:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How frustrating that the poster was so rude! I long to compare opinions about the brooch's date and place of origin, but I certainly don't want to help him.

The style looks distinctively of a particular period to me.

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 11-21-2010 10:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Jumped up pratts" must be an English term of endearment and it has a nice ring to it.

It reminds me of another English expression that came to the U.S; that is "so and so went missing". We have, to my dismay, expanded this to "so and so went dead". Isn't the English language wonderful.

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Ulysses Dietz
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iconnumber posted 11-21-2010 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ulysses Dietz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For our internal edification. The brooch is very much French in style, although such were made in the US and England at the same time--which would be only between 1890 and 1910.

Jumped up = tricked out, fancy, pretentious
pratt (cf: prat-fall)moron, idiot, clown

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 11-21-2010 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Ulysses for the definition. And all along I thought it was a term of endearment.

Scott thank you for the rules you have set for this Forum.

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