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Marc

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iconnumber posted 08-20-2003 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi there,


I have an old French beaker, 2.5" tall, that I am having the devil of a time identifying. I know that it is probably last third of the 18th century, but the city mark (capital P with a crown in a conforming cartouche) does not quite match any in either "Tardy's" or "Beuque's" "Poincons Officiels", I am using. Photo #1 is of the bottom of the cup with the maker's marks, the charge mark, and another mark Photo #2 is of the discharge mark, and is on the side of the cup near the top rim. Photo #3 is of the cup showing the initials of the owner.

What I would like to know is 1. Am I using the books improperly ? 2. What other reference books should I have on French silver? 3. What city and when was this cup made?

Thanks as always

Marc

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labarbedor

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iconnumber posted 08-26-2003 08:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for labarbedor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From your photos I can't make out all the marks. The P mark should have an 89 above the P and below the crown incised. It is the Paris mark for 1789 it is in Tardy the page depends on the language and edition. The maker's mark follows the rules for Paris silversmiths but I don't off hand know the maker. As of yet there is not a book for pre 1798 marks, except some long out of print. Most good books on French silver are in French, and expensive. Unless you are under 30 (and I know you are not) it is a little like someone my age starting to collect Bordeaux wine. By the it is ready to drink, I'll be too old (or dead) to enjoy it. French marks are by far the hardest to understand, kind of like the French language, even if you are born there you will never learn it all.
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