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Skipthird Posts: 5 |
posted 08-26-2004 01:24 PM
  
We collect WMF art nouveau pieces. We have just purchased a beautiful 800/1000 tea set with matching tray. The set has the look and quality of WMF, but no WMF mark. In addition to the crescent moon, crown and 800 marks, it also has what appears to be a chalice and another mark I can not make out exactly. The numbers 58 and 4541 are also etched on the bottem of every piece above and below the maker's marks Can anyone tell me who the maker is and the approximate age? Is there a meaning to the etched numbers? I can provide photos. Thanks. Skip IP: Logged |
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blakstone Posts: 493 |
posted 08-26-2004 03:29 PM
Your set sounds like it's from the late 19th or first quarter 20th century, and there are two very likely candidates for the manufacturer. The first is Otto Wolter of Schwäbisch-Gmünd, whose mark is very clearly a goblet. The second is Koch & Bergfeld of Bremen whose mark is a chalice, but which can often look more like a tripod table. While their marks are not at all difficult to tell apart, they really can be without a photograph. If the foot of the goblet has three noticable bumps, that's Koch & Bergeld. If the top of the goblet has a noticable oval - as if you were looking into it - that's Wolter. There were other makers in the late 19th/early 20th century who used a goblet for a mark - i.e. Otto Hintze of Hamburg and J & B Peters of Kevelaer - but these were not nearly as prolific as Wolter and - especially - Koch & Bergfeld. Also, if the other marks are initials, it may have been yet another manufacturer who used a chalice with his initals for his mark, most notably "KN" for Karl Nies of Hanau. Yet, my money is still on either Wolter or Koch & Bergfeld, both prolific and high-quality manufacturers. The numbers you mention are almost certainly model/design numbers and, if by Koch & Bergfeld, an approximate date can be determined from them. Being familiar with WMF, though, you should be able to esitmate the date from the design, as German silver of the late 19th & 20th century followed popular trends quite closely. However you might date it for WMF, it is reasonable to suppose that any German manufacturer's designs would not be too far off. IP: Logged |
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Skipthird Posts: 5 |
posted 08-26-2004 05:13 PM
Thank you so much for your expert assistance. The goblet Mark certainly looks like you describe for Wolter. The additional mark looks like a animal head. Would you like to see a scan? Also the set appears to be gold washed on the exterior, but not on the interior or bases. That seemed odd. The worksmanship is really excellent and equal to WMF. Skip IP: Logged |
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blakstone Posts: 493 |
posted 08-27-2004 11:33 AM
Yes, a scan would be most helpful. IP: Logged |
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Skipthird Posts: 5 |
posted 08-27-2004 12:31 PM
OK, I'm going to try to post an image for the very first time. I hope I don't mess this up. IP: Logged |
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blakstone Posts: 493 |
posted 08-27-2004 04:05 PM
Very nice. Seeing the photo, I would date it a little later: 1920s - 30s. Also, the mark is definitely that of Otto Wolter. The other "animal" mark is very unclear in the photo, but it looks vaguely to be a silver standard mark from another European country - probably either Austria or Switzerland - to which the set was exported. IP: Logged |
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