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tmockait

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iconnumber posted 01-03-2005 08:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I got this spoon from Tibilisi, Georgia. Based on the right facing head, I figure it dates from 1899-1908. The cyrillic letters are ÔÄ (FD). It would be great to get even more specific on the ID.

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tmockait

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iconnumber posted 01-03-2005 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Cyrillic letters did not come through properly on my last post. Hope you can read them ok.

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blakstone

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iconnumber posted 01-03-2005 11:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blakstone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, to preface, let me say that I henceforth give up on trying to approximate Cyrillic characters; members will have to do with transliteration & trust, and a good table for the former can be found at:
    Colby College Libraries
    Technical Services Dept
    www.colby.edu - Cyrillic Alphabet [link gone from the Internet]
You seem to have a handle on the Russian alphabet, so below when I use quotations, I am referring to the Cyrillic equivalents.

Now. It looks to me here that the maker's mark is overstruck by the kokoshnik mark, and that a third initial in the maker's mark has been obliterated. I say this first because none of my records have a maker "FD", and second because it looks very much like a mark with which I am familiar: "FDL", a Muscovite maker of the 1899-1908 period who remains, alas, unidentified.

Check and see if you can read the assayer's initials, which should appear in Cyrillic behind the head. (Can't make them out in your photo.) Moscow had only one assay master during the period: Ivan Sergeyevich Lebedkin, whose "IL" mark appears on all Moscow kokoshnik marks 1899-1908.

My bet is that they're "IL" for I. Lebdkin, making your spoon from Moscow, 1899-1908, by the unidentified "FDL". It certainly looks like his mark; the right side of the rectangle seems to fall inside the kokoshnik, and I think I can just make out the left side and lower right tip of the final, obliterated "L".

Hope this helps!

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tmockait

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iconnumber posted 01-04-2005 03:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My eyes are not what they used to be and the hallmark is pretty scratched, so I cannot read the letters behind the head. Your assessments seems right on though (as usual!). Through a magnifying glass the foot of the missing L is pretty clear.

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