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cmcguinness Posts: 2 |
posted 01-24-2005 06:54 PM
  
Hello! I'm sorry to introduce myself with a question, but I'm still learning a lot about coin silver and have an old spoon with marks I can't find in Ensko. It's probably that the marks are so worn, but I thought I might see if any of you recognize them. Here's a picture of the back of the spoon: I can tell it's an old spoon by its design, and presume it's not English by the hall marks, but after that I'm lost. Thank you all for any suggestions! IP: Logged |
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labarbedor Posts: 353 |
posted 01-24-2005 07:49 PM
It is a little hard to tell from the photograph, but I don't think the spoon is old. I don't see the patina that should be present on a piece of that style. Also the marks really look like fantasy marks, and don't look similar to early marks. IP: Logged |
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cmcguinness Posts: 2 |
posted 01-25-2005 12:34 AM
I wish I had the opportunity to show you the spoon in person; the 3 silver dealers I've shown it to have all agreed that it is a piece of colonial silver. Clearly, the photos don't do it justice. One dealer suggested that the top mark looks like a worn mark of Robert Sanderson, but nobody has an insight into the three leaf mark. I was hoping somebody in this forum might recognize the marks, even in their worn state. IP: Logged |
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labarbedor Posts: 353 |
posted 01-25-2005 01:07 AM
I am a dealer specializing in early silver for 35-40 years, very little looks right about the spoon to me. The second mark looks like a double stike of a decorative mark, the first looks like somebody's idea of a Mathew Boulton mark. Try to get a focused photograph of the marks or the surface of the spoon. I an trying to be charitable here. In the time I have been dealing in silver, I have probably met two handfuls (10) of people who know what they are talking about (in this country) who are still alive. Half of them are on this site. IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 01-25-2005 12:31 PM
There are some really esoteric early English provincial marks, but it seems to me thet, from the shape of the terminal and the overall proportions, that this is a Continental spoon. The odds of its being American colonial are almost nil. Most of these Continental spoons that I have seen are light weight and have drawn ret-tails, but not all, and some have an odd, "frosted" finish. I cannot speak to the genuineness of the marks, and therefore do not dispute Maurice's contention that the marks are false, but I do know that there are a lot of obscure provincial marks that one European specialist might recognize, and another not. The spoon may well be genuine, even if the marks are not. Most of these spoons that I have seen seem to have been used at sometime in their life as christening, marriage or funeral spoons, brought to this country be the descendants of the ones to whom the spoons were originally presented. Often they have faintly pricked names and dates on the back of the stem and handle - look carefully under oblique light, and breathe on the handle to see if you can find any. If you do, that is a good indication thet the spoon itself is genuine, but the spoon may be older than the date, as old spoons were often used for presentation. IP: Logged |
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akgdc Posts: 289 |
posted 01-26-2005 11:22 PM
The bowl of this spoon appears to me to be cast. The rattail looks all wrong. IP: Logged |
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